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Re: Garritan CFX vs VI Ravenscroft? [Re: Saskatuner] #2392127
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Originally Posted by Saskatuner
Phillip, great recordings! What samples were you using for overture?


The Youtube version (the excerpt) uses the Garritan CFX; the complete version of Overture (the one at insidemusicteaching.com) was recorded acoustically in a studio (Steinway D).

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Re: Garritan CFX vs VI Ravenscroft? [Re: jefinho] #2392153
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Originally Posted by jefinho
Philip_Johnston or yonatan: What do you think of the fact that repedaling is not supported?
Do you mis it? Can you hear it?

Does anyone know if Garritan will really update the CFX and fix the repedaling problem? They really should, if they want to become reliable again (they screwed up with the Garritan Steinway).
I would love to play the CFX with my N3 - just like Philip - but right now the lack of repedaling stops me from buying it.


I think Philip's answer is spot on. Like i said the sound and playability go over anything else. The lack of advance pedalling is noticable in particular songs, like Jazz ballads and such. But still the CFX just sounds perfect for me, and it inspires my playing which is great.
Let's take for example the Vintage D. Lot of people like it, it has all the features possible incl. half pedal. But i just don't like its sound, and it just never connects to me. All the features won't help then.
I hope that helps.

Re: Garritan CFX vs VI Ravenscroft? [Re: yonatan] #2392292
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Thanks a lot for your reply Philip_Johnston & Yonatan!
My style of playing piano requires lots of repadeling to get the nuances I really like. So personally I think its wise to wait until they actually release a fix.

Re: Garritan CFX vs VI Ravenscroft? [Re: Philip_Johnston] #2392335
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Originally Posted by Philip_Johnston
LFYM - I'm adding to this because you mentioned you were a classical pianist.

All the videos below were recorded using the Garritan CFX, and are designed to test the credibility of the instrument as a classical recording option:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1EfMdbwxtM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oEJBeurnqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbjMO7eIXAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVxKT_a40zQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ry-1SzBn68

Haven't tried the Ravenscroft yet, but the CFX blows everything else I've tried out of the water, including acoustic recordings I was making with my old Yamaha G3 grand. (I traded that in for an Avant Grand acting as a midi controller for the CFX library, don't miss my G3 in the slightest!)

I'm not affiliated with Garritan at all—I will happily switch to a different sample library if/when a better one comes along—just haven't found one yet smile




Thank you so much Philip, I can't believe my ears! I thought it was going to take lots of years before doing something better than Galaxy Vintage D. But I heard carefully the Garritan CFX, and it definetely raised the bar, I never heard something so perfect. You can fool me anytime into believing it is a real acoustic grand. I have no idea how they managed to achieve such great results, maybe better microphones? At this point, repedalling is so secondary, the sound quality is what really matters.
By the way, when you listen to it through the speakers, do you notice a big difference compared to headphones? A bit of difference it's inevitable, but how much?

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Re: Garritan CFX vs VI Ravenscroft? [Re: pold] #2392344
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Thank you so much Philip, I can't believe my ears! I thought it was going to take lots of years before doing something better than Galaxy Vintage D. But I heard carefully the Garritan CFX, and it definetely raised the bar, I never heard something so perfect.


Exactly the reason why I consider buying the Garritan CFX! I've used the Vintage D in the past and I'm currently using Ivory II AMD.
The AMD is the best I know. However, the CFX really sounds like the next step... if they just fix this little problem smile

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Re: Garritan CFX vs VI Ravenscroft? [Re: LFYM] #2392596
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That kind of playing really needs to be used to demo more than than just one the latest VST fads. I'd really like to hear you play the same thing with the Ravenscroft, same ambience, etc.. I'll send you $10 via Paypal. If we can get 40 others to do the same your set. It would do all of us some good to get a decent comparison for a change.

Re: Garritan CFX vs VI Ravenscroft? [Re: jefinho] #2392819
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Originally Posted by jefinho
Philip_Johnston or yonatan: What do you think of the fact that repedaling is not supported?
Do you mis it? Can you hear it?

Does anyone know if Garritan will really update the CFX and fix the repedaling problem? They really should, if they want to become reliable again (they screwed up with the Garritan Steinway).
I would love to play the CFX with my N3 - just like Philip - but right now the lack of repedaling stops me from buying it.


What was (is) the Garritan Steinway screw up ?
I think they went through a takeover/merger by Musitek (the score scanning people) a couple of years ago - was this when the Garritan Steinway was "nearly finished" ? - and did it get abandoned/shelved by the new management ?
I suppose the CFX would have been at least in progress at that time, so maybe it too won't get "finished" or enhanced any further.
Just speculating...


Re: Garritan CFX vs VI Ravenscroft? [Re: R_B] #2392970
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Originally Posted by R_B
Originally Posted by jefinho
Philip_Johnston or yonatan: What do you think of the fact that repedaling is not supported?
Do you mis it? Can you hear it?

Does anyone know if Garritan will really update the CFX and fix the repedaling problem? They really should, if they want to become reliable again (they screwed up with the Garritan Steinway).
I would love to play the CFX with my N3 - just like Philip - but right now the lack of repedaling stops me from buying it.


What was (is) the Garritan Steinway screw up ?
I think they went through a takeover/merger by Musitek (the score scanning people) a couple of years ago - was this when the Garritan Steinway was "nearly finished" ? - and did it get abandoned/shelved by the new management ?
I suppose the CFX would have been at least in progress at that time, so maybe it too won't get "finished" or enhanced any further.
Just speculating...


The Garritan Steinway needed half pedaling "improvements" that were promised too for version 1.05, back in January 2010. Then 1.05 was "nearing release" in Jan 2011. Then they promised to "post it soon" after announcing the update was finished in June 2012. Then in August 2012 they again said it would be released. Then again in Sept 2012. Then in Nov 2012 "it will be out, asap". Then in Dec 2012 "it is still in the works". Then in Feb 2013 "for now this is still held up". And then finally they released the CFX and we've never heard of the 1.05 update again.

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum...steinway/authorized-steinway-discussion/

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Re: Garritan CFX vs VI Ravenscroft? [Re: LFYM] #2395096
03/07/15 02:50 PM
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Does anyone knows if the Garritan CFX needs iLok - just like Ivory - or something similar?

Re: Garritan CFX vs VI Ravenscroft? [Re: jefinho] #2395099
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iLok is not needed for Garritan CFX

Re: Garritan CFX vs VI Ravenscroft? [Re: Philip_Johnston] #2442986
07/20/15 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Philip_Johnston
LFYM - I'm adding to this because you mentioned you were a classical pianist.

All the videos below were recorded using the Garritan CFX, and are designed to test the credibility of the instrument as a classical recording option:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1EfMdbwxtM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oEJBeurnqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbjMO7eIXAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVxKT_a40zQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ry-1SzBn68

Haven't tried the Ravenscroft yet, but the CFX blows everything else I've tried out of the water, including acoustic recordings I was making with my old Yamaha G3 grand. (I traded that in for an Avant Grand acting as a midi controller for the CFX library, don't miss my G3 in the slightest!)

I'm not affiliated with Garritan at all—I will happily switch to a different sample library if/when a better one comes along—just haven't found one yet smile


Wow! Including your acoustic recordings, that's amazing. I'm stuck choosing between CFX Concert Grand, Ravenscroft, and Imperfectsamples' Steinway (I adore the impurities of their libraries). You've been quite informative in this thread, thanks.

P.S. I have two of your books on my piano stand, at this moment. ;-)

Ashton

Re: Garritan CFX vs VI Ravenscroft? [Re: Ashton M.] #2443053
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You're replying to a post made by Philip_Johnston five months ago. He hasn't posted in this thread since then, and hasn't posted anywhere on the board in two months. So it's not likely he'll see your reply.

Re: Garritan CFX vs VI Ravenscroft? [Re: LFYM] #2443127
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If he is subscribed to the thread and receives e-mail updates he MIGHT respond.

I would be interested in his opinion on the "playability" of Pianoteq
{Hint, hint, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean ?}
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Re: Garritan CFX vs VI Ravenscroft? [Re: Philip_Johnston] #2704389
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Originally Posted by Philip_Johnston
The lack of half pedal and repedalling (Garritan, seriously...why???)

I know this post is 2.5 years old but just in case want to throw here this quote:

https://www.garritan.com/products/cfx-concert-grand-virtual-piano-lite/
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These new features, not found in the original CFX Concert Grand, are available today in CFX Lite (as well as the CFX Concert Grand update
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Re-Pedaling and Partial Pedaling
Added realism has been added to pedal behavior. Re-Pedaling “catches” a note with the sustain pedal after it is played and Partial Pedaling allows you to use a continuous sustain pedal to vary the amount of dampening applied.


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