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#2704218 - 01/12/18 09:58 AM NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X  
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Does anyone have a confirmation that the Yamaha Avantgrand N2X will be shown at NAMM 2018? My (semi)local dealer salesman originally told me that he'd heard from his sources that the N2X was under development and was expected to be released for NAMM 2018, but the owner has since told me that Yamaha is 'tight lipped' and he has no idea on the status of the N2X.

Do new products typically get announced ahead of NAMM or do the manufacturers surprise everyone at the start of the show?

(I'm guessing that if the N2X isn't available for the NAMM show, the chances for having it available in stores in the first half of 2018 are not good.)

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#2704227 - 01/12/18 10:18 AM Re: NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X [Re: jfl]  
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The technician that came out to my place in December said it would be at the show in Anaheim. However, it's certainly possible that something has changed since then, or that he was lying smile


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#2704231 - 01/12/18 10:26 AM Re: NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X [Re: jfl]  
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From what I've seen, it's common that on the days running up to the convention, you'll see the website and marketing material get silently updated with new models, ahead of the formal reveal at the show.


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#2704253 - 01/12/18 11:25 AM Re: NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X [Re: jfl]  
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OK thanks. I was hoping for something heard directly from a Yamaha source. I'll try to think about other things until the end of the month and check back in after NAMM is underway. I'll be very disappointed if the N2X doesn't happen at NAMM 2018.

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#2704261 - 01/12/18 11:59 AM Re: NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X [Re: jfl]  
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What about an N1X ?


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#2704263 - 01/12/18 12:02 PM Re: NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X [Re: jfl]  
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Originally Posted by jfl
I'll be very disappointed if the N2X doesn't happen at NAMM 2018.


Don't get your hopes up. Yamaha clearly has not been pushing the accelerator on the upgrade cycle for these. I have no insider information, however.

Think of the N2X as a positive suprise when it happens.

#2704275 - 01/12/18 12:32 PM Re: NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X [Re: jfl]  
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Even if Yamaha shows N2X at NAAM, it doesn't mean it will be available to buy pretty soon. Look at Kawai Novus NV10 - it was first presented at Musikmesse 2017 9 months ago - and it still isn't available in stores in USA.

So, if you want to try out both N2X and NV10 in stores personally before making the purchasing decision, be prepared to wait for a long time. I am personally not counting on this happening before June or so.

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#2704282 - 01/12/18 12:54 PM Re: NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X [Re: jfl]  
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A local shop said to expect a 4-6mo delay between announcement and availability, based on third experience with the N3X.


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#2704309 - 01/12/18 02:20 PM Re: NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X [Re: jfl]  
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Got that. But if the N2X is unveiled at NAMM we'll know it's real and there's just the wait for availability at showrooms. My nearest Yamaha dealer has the N3X and N2 in stock. If the N2X is unveiled at NAMM I'll be headed to the showroom to try those two out and making an initial assessment based on some degree of triangulation. In any case I'm not likely to pull the trigger until I get my hands/ears on an NV10. This is a big purchase for me but one way or another I intend to acquire a hybrid in 2018. If only one (NV10/N2X) is available in 2018 then the decision will be made for me. If I'm really displeased with the NV10 and the N2X isn't out, I guess I'm back to the N2. I pulled out buying one at $8K towards the end of last year thinking that the N2X was on the way. It's crazy how many choices there are in acoustics and how limited the hybrid market is!

#2704406 - 01/12/18 07:31 PM Re: NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X [Re: jfl]  
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I’m wondering how much better the N2X will be over buying a lesser expensive N2? You can control sample libraries which will undoubtedly sound better than the built in Yamaha samples. The sound (sample sounds; not the speaker system) of the AvantGrand has always been the only disappointing part of the AvantGrand pianos.

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#2704411 - 01/12/18 07:44 PM Re: NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X [Re: PianoZac]  
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Originally Posted by PianoZac
I’m wondering how much better the N2X will be over buying a lesser expensive N2? You can control sample libraries which will undoubtedly sound better than the built in Yamaha samples. The sound (sample sounds; not the speaker system) of the AvantGrand has always been the only disappointing part of the AvantGrand pianos.


When I played the N3X, I didn't really notice a huge difference versus the N2. I only had a couple of hours on these pianos, but the impression I got was that the speakers in the AGs are the great equalizers. Even the 7-yo N1/N2/N3 samples sounded fine to me. If I got one, I would probably run a VST while using headphones, and use the built-in sounds when playing aloud.


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#2704415 - 01/12/18 07:52 PM Re: NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X [Re: Gombessa]  
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by PianoZac
I’m wondering how much better the N2X will be over buying a lesser expensive N2? You can control sample libraries which will undoubtedly sound better than the built in Yamaha samples. The sound (sample sounds; not the speaker system) of the AvantGrand has always been the only disappointing part of the AvantGrand pianos.


When I played the N3X, I didn't really notice a huge difference versus the N2. I only had a couple of hours on these pianos, but the impression I got was that the speakers in the AGs are the great equalizers. Even the 7-yo N1/N2/N3 samples sounded fine to me. If I got one, I would probably run a VST while using headphones, and use the built-in sounds when playing aloud.

Yeah, funny, you own the MP11, and I the AvantGrand N1, and I’m trying to pick up an MP11SE and sell my N1. I’m moving a lot the next few years for school (trying to go to medical school) and just don’t want to have to move the N1 over and over. But when I play it, I say to myself. Just keep it and run VSTs. It’s a great instrument no doubt, however, if I were in the market for the N2X or NV10 i would try to find a cheap N2and run software with it. In some ways I wish I would have bought the N2 for the extra niceties it has over the N1.


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#2704423 - 01/12/18 08:21 PM Re: NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X [Re: jfl]  
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FYI - NAMM is a bit more open for members of the public at this year's event, although I believe it's only on the weekend. This is why my other half reports:

These are the "rules" for non-NAMM members to attend the NAMM show this year: "Representatives from organizations that do not qualify for membership may apply for a badge to attend The NAMM Show. Applications are available for pro audio, software, live sound, lighting, and other entertainment technology professionals along with buyers and influencers representing venues and houses of worship, as well as music educators and music majors. You must be 18 or over to attend. "

Here's the registration link: https://www.namm.org/thenammshow/2018/attend

BTW, I will be there all days, if anyone would like to meet up please let me know. My hubbie will be busy with modular synths, so I'll be roaming around looking for my next hybrid piano. Would love to compare notes.


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#2706437 - 01/19/18 10:44 AM Re: NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X [Re: jfl]  
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NAMM's less than a week away. Still no word from Yamaha on an N2 (N2X) upgrade. Getting nervous...

#2706501 - 01/19/18 01:01 PM Re: NAMM 2018 and Yamaha Avantgrand N2X [Re: PianoZac]  
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[quote=Gombessa][quote=PianoZac] In some ways I wish I would have bought the N2 for the extra niceties it has over the N1.


What makes you think so? I thought the only difference between Yamaha N1 and N2 are just the built-in speakers. The sampling, action, pedals etc. are just the same...no? Wouldn't it be better to just get an N1 and spend the price difference to some REALLY good loudspeakers instead?

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[quote=Gombessa][quote=PianoZac] In some ways I wish I would have bought the N2 for the extra niceties it has over the N1.


What makes you think so? I thought the only difference between Yamaha N1 and N2 are just the built-in speakers. The sampling, action, pedals etc. are just the same...no? Wouldn't it be better to just get an N1 and spend the price difference to some REALLY good loudspeakers instead?


Different speakers/amplifiers/TRS/Keytops. However I would agree that when using this as a MIDI controller with outboard speakers, an N1 gets you where you want to be. All depends on whether you want an all-in-one solution or assemble your own components.

If you own an N1 and are dissatisfied with the sound, I'd think that studio monitors are definitely worth consideration. For those currently in the market and willing to spend the extra money, the '2' has a very good sound system and doesn't require external monitors which aren't necessarily desirable in a living-room setting.

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Originally Posted by kiwibd
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[quote=Gombessa][quote=PianoZac] In some ways I wish I would have bought the N2 for the extra niceties it has over the N1.


What makes you think so? I thought the only difference between Yamaha N1 and N2 are just the built-in speakers. The sampling, action, pedals etc. are just the same...no? Wouldn't it be better to just get an N1 and spend the price difference to some REALLY good loudspeakers instead?

Hey kiwibd, jfl outlined the differences nicely. Honestly, the N1 speakers are truly fantastic. It sounds like a real acoustic grand if you’re a bystander across the room. And as the player in front of the piano, it’s a great experience. Where the AvantGrands fall big is the sound through headphones. Not terrible but totally not convincing. Otherwise, I have zero complaints with the AvantGrand N1. It’s definitely the best bang for buck overall. The fact they can be had for $6500 range now new is a steal. Heck mine is $3250 on Craigslist. It will make a fantastic purchase for someone.


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Originally Posted by PianoZac
The fact they can be had for $6500 range now new is a steal. Heck mine is $3250 on Craigslist. It will make a fantastic purchase for someone.


Let us know when it sells (I bet soon). I've been looking and have never seen an N1 for that price. If I did, I would have snagged it smile


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