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Tablet ? #2704178
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Hi

I’m having some fun using an iPad with my FP30 (bluetooth), with apps like Musescore, iRealpro and some synth (iTuttle for ex.)

Problem is, the iPad belongs to my wife, and she’s using it while I pratice my piano…

I don’t really want to buy another one juste for piano playing (iPads are pretty expensive), so I want to know if you guys are using cheaper android tablet with ease and fun ?

My main goal is access to apps for scores, and good synth (free or not).

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I'm using MobileSheetsPro on an Android tablet:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zubersoft.mobilesheetspro

I'm very satisfied with it and think it works great.

Personally, I'm using it on a cheap Amazon Fire tablet, but for example my wife just got the Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 for christmas, which has the exact same screen as the iPad 4 (same size, aspect ratio and "retina" resolution), but is a lot cheaper than a current generation iPad. Don't know which iPad your wife has, but if it is of similar size, then the S2 should be a good replacement.

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I use a Samsung Galaxy Tab A (10.1"). I got it for around £200 last year.

I only really use it for displaying sheet music as a pdf though, so nothing too taxing. I'm not sure about the availability / performance of other music apps on that tablet or android in general.

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There are heaps of good, affordable Android tablets, even from big-name manufacturers. If you're prepared to risk an unknown brand there are heaps more, even cheaper.

I suspect the problem is likely to be software -- things are starting to look up a little, but musicians were never high on Google's priority list.

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I bought a Samsung Tab A, liked it so much, I bought another one for my wife.


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Originally Posted by UpalS
My main goal is access to apps for scores, and good synth (free or not).

Android is very weak for synth.

Originally Posted by kevinb
musicians were never high on Google's priority list.

Googld doesn't make the apps, but they do make the OS, an the OS hasn't supported low latency MIDI the way iOS has. My understanding is that you typically need at least "Marshmallow" and preferably "Oreo" to have a shot at reasonable latency. Probably best to get Samsung, they have been a leader in the music area with some of their own extensions to the OS. But no matter what, you'll be lagging way behind iOS.

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Googld doesn't make the apps, but they do make the OS, an the OS hasn't supported low latency MIDI the way iOS has.


The problem is that platform and hardware limitations have a knock-on effect on app(lication) development that doesn't even depend on specific hardware features. If musicians don't have particular devices, then it's not in the interests of application developers to support them. There used to be an excellent sight-reading trainer for iOS, produced in collaboration with the ABRSM. It had the notable feature of working with real music from the ABRSM publications. I talked to the developers, and they told me they there was no mileage in producing an Android version, because all the musicians had Apple stuff. I suspect they were wrong -- at least in the UK -- but they weren't taking my word for it.

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Yes, Apple's early support for music capabilities means that they have such a lead among musicians that, even if/as google adds equivalent tech, it may be too late for the platform to catch up. As long as the Apple customer base for this kind of product is substantially larger, they will continue to draw more development. Though there are also developers who may try to take the contrarian approach, aiming to be the bigger fish in the smaller pond, where they also could have the benefit of less competition.

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If you want to play virtual instruments on a tablet, iOS generally provides good latency performance. Android latency performance ranges from good to poor depending on the tablet brand and model.

Probable reasons are that Google needs to support thousands of different hardware configurations. And since Google is an advertising firm, providing "free" Android software is not their core focus.

Source: a top developer at major gaming company who assigns engineers to test this stuff to ensure quality gaming experience for everyone.

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Although it's not a cheaper option, I use a Surface Pro 4. MobileSheetsPro is available as a Windows app. I can also run Pianoteq on the SP4. The SP4 model is 2 years old now. You might be able to find it cheap.


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Originally Posted by bSharp(C)yclist
The SP4 model is 2 years old now. You might be able to find it cheap.

Yes, and also, once you start looking at used stuff, for music apps, I'd take an old iPad 2 over an Android, and you can probably find those pretty cheaply, too.

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I'm using a Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2. to play pdf scores on my computer or NAS. It has a 12:10 aspect ratio so provides more score width. I think the Microsoft Surface Pro 4 does the same.

I don't understand your comment about using it to play synth.

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by bSharp(C)yclist
The SP4 model is 2 years old now. You might be able to find it cheap.

Yes, and also, once you start looking at used stuff, for music apps, I'd take an old iPad 2 over an Android, and you can probably find those pretty cheaply, too.

I wouldn't advise anybody to buy an iPad 2 - I have one that was given to me last year and it's pretty much obsolete. All apps I've wanted to install on it, including the music apps, are not supported because iOS can't be updated to a recent enough version.

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Originally Posted by Beemer
I don't understand your comment about using it to play synth.

Using it as a sound module. Something that has not generally been viable on Android.

Originally Posted by ando

I wouldn't advise anybody to buy an iPad 2 - I have one that was given to me last year and it's pretty much obsolete. All apps I've wanted to install on it, including the music apps, are not supported because iOS can't be updated to a recent enough version.

Interesting. In my experience, if you didn't have a new enough OS to run the current version of an app, the device would give you the option of downloading the last compatible version. Of course, that doesn't work with the newest apps that may have never had versions that ran on older versions, but tons of good stuff did.

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Originally Posted by anotherscott

Originally Posted by ando

I wouldn't advise anybody to buy an iPad 2 - I have one that was given to me last year and it's pretty much obsolete. All apps I've wanted to install on it, including the music apps, are not supported because iOS can't be updated to a recent enough version.

Interesting. In my experience, if you didn't have a new enough OS to run the current version of an app, the device would give you the option of downloading the last compatible version. Of course, that doesn't work with the newest apps that may have never had versions that ran on older versions, but tons of good stuff did.

There is a problem with that: you had to have previously purchased it, or installed it (if it was a free app), and then it appears in your purchase history, which can sometimes allow you to access an older version of it. That was done so that people could restore their devices after a complete reset, or if they replaced a broken device with a new one. But if you just got an iPad2, you can't install old versions of most apps - even when Apple's own help pages suggest you can. I can't even install Garageband on mine. It's basically useless to me. And I could probably only get $50 for it.. Of Course, Google does the same thing on the Play store, but you have the option of finding older APKs from other sources. My iPad won't let me install anything from anywhere but the Appstore - there is no backdoor to installing Garageband, for example. Disappointing..

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Originally Posted by ando
you had to have previously purchased it, or installed it (if it was a free app), and then it appears in your purchase history, which can sometimes allow you to access an older version of it...But if you just got an iPad2, you can't install old versions of most apps - even when Apple's own help pages suggest you can.

Ah.


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