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Running a VST through the speakers of a DP #2703933
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Hi guys,

Just wondering if anyone has any insights on this. I own a Roland FP and I use it as a MIDI controller for some pianos on Logic Pro. In the interests of compactness, is it possible to run the USB through the laptop, play my sounds back out and into the digital piano, through it's speakers? It'd need to override the preinstalled sounds on the piano/switch off the internal piano. Don't know if this is possible.

Any help?

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Re: Running a VST through the speakers of a DP [Re: PianoMasterIreland] #2703945
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Yes, very much possible and I do this routinely.. You need to route the line out from computer to line in of your DP and then turn the "Local Control" off in Midi settings of your piano. Turning off local control disables DP's own sounds coming from the DP's speakers.

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Re: Running a VST through the speakers of a DP [Re: PianoMasterIreland] #2703959
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depends whether the particular FP model the OP has has a line/aux input or not.

Re: Running a VST through the speakers of a DP [Re: anotherscott] #2703985
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
depends whether the particular FP model the OP has has a line/aux input or not.


It's a shame they all don't. But FP30 doesn't . . . . .

My FP50 handles Pianoteq fine. It connected straightaway without turning local control off. I turn down the vol to zero. It's not quite zero, but as near as. You can then adjust the computer vol to do the rest. It doesn't have the totally even response that would be generated by Roland, but maybe this gives it character . . . . If you added a couple o' extra powered speakers, you'd have a brilliant sound which would be adjustable to some degree.


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Re: Running a VST through the speakers of a DP [Re: PianoMasterIreland] #2703986
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Don't do it! Here's why.

The piano generates crappy sound ... because of a crappy tone generator and crappy speakers.

So you connect to a VST, which produces the best piano sound available.

Then you feed that back to your crappy piano speakers. And you're back to crappy sound again.

Don't do it. Get real speakers. Really.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
you connect to a VST, which produces the best piano sound available.

Then you feed that back to your crappy piano speakers. And you're back to crappy sound again.

Don't do it. Get real speakers. Really.

Real speakers are better, but sometimes internals can still provide a pretty satisfying experience. I would also consider doing both. There is something that "feels" more authentic about the sound coming out of the piano's speakers. At least part of it is just feeling the vibrations in your hands as you play.

Re: Running a VST through the speakers of a DP [Re: PianoMasterIreland] #2704025
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I tried Osho's suggestion and it worked a treat. I should have mentioned it's an Fp 90 and the internal speakers are great now as I test it. Might still go for a pair of monitors just to compare.

I had been somewhat enthralled about a year ago with the modeled sound of Roland supernatural but I've since reverted to preferring samples. This seems like the perfect solution and much cheaper than my next idea which was to invest in a Nord piano 3. This way I can have the Roland play whatever VST I want to purchase as I do love the playability and look of the FP 90.

I think you always get used to a piano sound sooner or later to the point of being uninspired by it but quality piano samples in their variety alleviate this problem as you'll never get bored. Anyone agree?

Re: Running a VST through the speakers of a DP [Re: PianoMasterIreland] #2704490
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I have done thins and I am with MacMacMac: don't do it :-)

If your DP has MIDI out and Line In, this is no problem to do: you just Line IN your Laptop or PC Line or headphone OUT. But it will not sound good. A DP does not really have good room for speakers and this does not actually matter so much because the DP designers can tune the sound engine / sound out characteristics of the DP engine to their built-in speakers very well. They can decide which of the speakers in the DP can get which frequencies (or even which sounds as some DP have dedicated speakers for e.g. key action sound) etc.

The issue is that the Laptop/PC VST does not know the DP speaker configuration, characteristics, placement etc. and can not address them separately. This would probably be better if there was a better interface than Line IN, like maybe HDMI etc.

What will sound well is if you plug your headphones into the Laptop/PC with the VST.


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Re: Running a VST through the speakers of a DP [Re: Hendrik42] #2704551
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Originally Posted by Hendrik42
If your DP has MIDI out and Line In, this is no problem to do: you just Line IN your Laptop or PC Line or headphone OUT. But it will not sound good.

My experience has been different with Kawai CA-67. I do like both Pianoteq 6 and Garritan CFX played via the internal speakers of the CA-67.

The 'best sound' I have got is with a combination of the internal speakers of CA-67 + full range home theater stereo speakers - that is a very clear step-up from the internal sounds of DP played via DP's speakers.

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Re: Running a VST through the speakers of a DP [Re: Osho] #2704561
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Originally Posted by Hendrik42
If your DP has MIDI out and Line In, this is no problem to do: you just Line IN your Laptop or PC Line or headphone OUT. But it will not sound good.

My experience has been different with Kawai CA-67. I do like both Pianoteq 6 and Garritan CFX played via the internal speakers of the CA-67.

The 'best sound' I have got is with a combination of the internal speakers of CA-67 + full range home theater stereo speakers - that is a very clear step-up from the internal sounds of DP played via DP's speakers.

Osho


I imagine it would be. But even with my FP50, Pianoteq isn't bad. But adjustment is very handy, and the internal speakers don't usually give that. Something extra is called for.


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