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Hi everyone,

I would very much appreciate if anyone could tell me if Ivory Feel G action has been improved from one DP to another, because I've noticed a huge difference in NOISE between RD300NX and Juno DS88 for example. Besides the overall noise level, the black keys (on the whole board) in RD300NX had a weird knocking at return, like there was no felt to absorb it. The store guy told me that the RD came like this from the factory...

In the same store I could briefly compare the Juno with the FP30 (PHA4 Std.) and the mechanical feel and "quietness" were very similar, though I didn't turn on the power to compare the sound and/or responsiveness. I assume the mechanical structure of Ivory Feel G is very similar to PHA4 Std. regardless of the sensor systems. I only found some pics of the last on the net, right here:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubb...ew/1/Roland_FP-30_review_+_nekkid_p.html

My target (for now, as I already own a CP40) is the RD64 which sounds and looks pretty interesting as a more compact HA DP, though a 73/76 version would be better. As you all can imagine, I don't have an RD64 in my proximity to solve this matter.

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I was about to waste my €1499 in a Roland RP-501R, with a PHA-IV Standard (SHORTER PIVOT-LENGTH than PHA-II (?not sure),III, IV Premium/Concert) keyboard.

Thanks to this loving thread.

Respilling the beans of the Roland Corporate Secrecy, PHA-4 Standard has a short pivot-length, shorter than PHA-III

Sending my love to everyone,

except Jay.

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Originally Posted by sonicblasphemy
Hi everyone,

I would very much appreciate if anyone could tell me if Ivory Feel G action has been improved from one DP to another, because I've noticed a huge difference in NOISE between RD300NX and Juno DS88 for example. Besides the overall noise level, the black keys (on the whole board) in RD300NX had a weird knocking at return, like there was no felt to absorb it. The store guy told me that the RD came like this from the factory...

In the same store I could briefly compare the Juno with the FP30 (PHA4 Std.) and the mechanical feel and "quietness" were very similar, though I didn't turn on the power to compare the sound and/or responsiveness. I assume the mechanical structure of Ivory Feel G is very similar to PHA4 Std. regardless of the sensor systems. I only found some pics of the last on the net, right here:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubb...ew/1/Roland_FP-30_review_+_nekkid_p.html

My target (for now, as I already own a CP40) is the RD64 which sounds and looks pretty interesting as a more compact HA DP, though a 73/76 version would be better. As you all can imagine, I don't have an RD64 in my proximity to solve this matter.


I can only say my FP50 has the quietest action of any DP I've come across and, after 2 years, is unchanged. It compares similarly to FP30, because it is similar. It may, indeed, be identical but no one's saying. . . .


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Originally Posted by Gi Dy
I was about to waste my €1499 in a Roland RP-501R, with a PHA-IV Standard (SHORTER PIVOT-LENGTH than PHA-II (?not sure),III, IV Premium/Concert) keyboard.

Thanks to this loving thread.

Respilling the beans of the Roland Corporate Secrecy, PHA-4 Standard has a short pivot-length, shorter than PHA-III

Sending my love to everyone,

except Jay.


Not sure I follow your point. Why did you almost "waste" your money? Did you play-test the 501R and found it inadequate? Or did you find a better instument for the same price? Otherwise I don't really follow your argument.

In any case thank you for sending your love to me. Jay will be devastated no doubt, though he has long since left Roland.


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Originally Posted by Gi Dy
PHA-4 Standard has a short pivot-length


Longer than
- Casio Privia or Celviano
- Yamaha GHS
- Fatar TP-100
- Medeli K6 (found e.g. in many Kurzweils)

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Longer than kawai ahaiv and rm3, probably all fatar actions

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Originally Posted by Gi Dy
I was about to waste my €1499 in a Roland RP-501R, with a PHA-IV Standard (SHORTER PIVOT-LENGTH than PHA-II (?not sure),III, IV Premium/Concert) keyboard.

Thanks to this loving thread.

Respilling the beans of the Roland Corporate Secrecy, PHA-4 Standard has a short pivot-length, shorter than PHA-III

Sending my love to everyone,

except Jay.


Geez....I've been gone for a year, and no love anymore? Tough crowd...


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There will always be love for you in these parts, Jay!

Honestly though, it seems a growing number of people these days are just looking for something to complain about.

Perhaps Frank should rename this website PianoWhine.com?

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James
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