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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: Kawai James] #2714612
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
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Originally Posted by paf
PS2: A new bug on my side: after "starting with favorites" (the only way favorites works on my CA98), the "saved to sound" VT settings are only restored after I touch "Pianist" or "Sound". Not as big a deal as the favorites, but also something I would describe as annoying.

I believe this is the correct behaviour. The "Save to Sound" VT settings are stored independently of Favourites. If you exit Favourites mode to enter Sound mode, the previously defined Sound mode settings will be recalled.
...

Nice try but... if it was "by design" that you have to leave the favorites screen for the Pianist or Sound "saved to sound" settings to be active then... how does the piano know if I want to play in Pianist or Sound mode (and which instrument) before I press on the screen?

My logic says that when "starting with favorites", it should either:

  • start in the last used mode (Piano or Sound), with the last used instrument and the "saved to sound" settings OR
  • start in Pianist mode with the "saved to sound" settings, just like when not using "start with favorites" OR
  • not play at all until the user choses Pianist or Sound mode

Of course, the first solution would be the best and the last the worst.

Patrick

PS: Kawai Europe e-mailed me yesterday: they still cannot say anything concrete about the correction of the known problems

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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: paf] #2714648
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Hello paf,

Originally Posted by paf
Nice try


I'm glad that you appreciate my efforts to help.

Originally Posted by paf
if it was "by design" that you have to leave the favorites screen for the Pianist or Sound "saved to sound" settings to be active...


Please note that it's only necessary to exit Favorites mode if the 'Startup with Favorite' setting is enabled. By default, this setting is turned off and the instrument will startup in Pianist mode, using the 'Store to Sound' Virtual Technician settings (if applied). If Sound mode is then selected, the instrument will use the Virtual Technician settings stored for the currently selected sound. As noted previously, in Sound mode, each sound has its own, independent VT settings.

Originally Posted by paf
...how does the piano know if I want to play in Pianist or Sound mode (and which instrument) before I press on the screen?


I'm afraid I don't understand this part of your question. The instrument cannot predict which mode the user wishes to use.

Originally Posted by paf
My logic says that when "starting with favorites", it should either:

  • start in the last used mode (Piano or Sound), with the last used instrument and the "saved to sound" settings OR
  • start in Pianist mode with the "saved to sound" settings, just like when not using "start with favorites" OR
  • not play at all until the user choses Pianist or Sound mode


When the 'Startup with Favorites' setting is enabled, the instrument will pre-select the first (top-left) Favorite memory when turned on.
If this is a Pianist mode favorite it will be represented by a grand piano icon, if the memory is a Sound mode favorite it will be represented by a musical note icon.

I hope this clarifies things.

Kind regards,
James
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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: Kawai James] #2714679
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Originally Posted by Kawai James

Originally Posted by paf
...how does the piano know if I want to play in Pianist or Sound mode (and which instrument) before I press on the screen?


I'm afraid I don't understand this part of your question. The instrument cannot predict which mode the user wishes to use.


While I haven't tried this (as I haven't had much use for acoustic piano Sound Mode), the way I suspect Favorites to work is:

1. You can "save to favorites" in either Pianist or Sound mode menus..

2. Depending on whether you save from within Pianist or Sound mode menu, that is the "active selection" that is applied to the favorite.

3. When you select "Startup with Favorites," the piano will load the first Favorite in the stack, using either Pianist or Sound mode depending on the menu the Favorite was saved from.

A fairly easy way to test this would be to see if a favorite saved from within the Sound Mode menu starts up with the "reverb" icon in the upper right status bar -- AFAIK pianist mode doesn't have reverb (it's call ambiance there?).


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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: Gombessa] #2714681
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Gombessa, yes, I believe that's how the Favorites function is intended to work.

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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: Kawai James] #2714730
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Sorry guys, it seems I was a little confused yesterday evening.

Yes, the CA98 knows at "startup with favorites" if I want to use "Pianist" or "Sound" - it just has to look at the type of the first favorite (which is, by the way, the only one which works on my CA98). So when I play while still in the grey startup favorites screen, the CA98 can choose the right piano type.

But I still see no reasons why at that moment the VT settings (saved with "save to sound") of the played piano are not yet recalled and I have to press on "Pianist" or "Sound" to activate them.


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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: paf] #2714749
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Originally Posted by paf
But I still see no reasons why at that moment the VT settings (saved with "save to sound") of the played piano are not yet recalled and I have to press on "Pianist" or "Sound" to activate them.

That’s because the VT settings are also recalled from the startup favourite. Make sure that you save the favourite after changing the VT settings (and after doing the “store to sound”). Then the startup favourite should include the same VT settings as you’ve also saved to the sound.

Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: paf] #2714750
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Hello paf,

Originally Posted by paf
But I still see no reasons why at that moment the VT settings (saved with "save to sound") of the played piano are not yet recalled and I have to press on "Pianist" or "Sound" to activate them.


I believe this is because the Favorites memories function independently to the Pianist mode/Sound mode 'Store to Sound' memories.

Please try the following example:

1. Maximise all of the Virtual Technician parameters in Pianist mode, exit the VT menu, then store this configuration as a Favorite.
2. Turn the instrument off/on to reset the Pianist mode back to the default settings (or whatever settings were previously stored using the Virtual Technician's 'Store to Sound' function).
3. Minimise all of the Virtual Technician parameters in Pianist mode and use the 'Store to Sound' function.
4. Select Favorites mode, and select the Favorite memory stored in step 1 - confirm that the VT parameters are maximised (e.g. damper noise is very loud).
5. Select Pianist mode (exiting Favorites mode) - confirm that the VT parameters are minimised (e.g. damper noise is off).
6. Select Favorites mode again and confirm that the VT parameters are maximised.
7. Select Pianist mode again, confirm that the VT parameters are minimised.
8. From the Pianist mode menu select 'Store to Favorite' and store this configuration as a separate Favorite memory.
9. Enter the Virtual Technician menu and restore the parameters to normal (e.g. default) values.
10. Select Favorites, alternate between the two extreme configurations.
11. Select Pianist mode again, confirm that the piano sound is back to normal (i.e. how it was configured in step 9).

I believe this example demonstrates how the Pianist mode memory functions independently of the Favorites memories.
The same is true of the Sound mode memory, however this has an extra layer of complexity as each sound has its own VT ('Store to Sound') memory.

I hope this is clear.

Kind regards,
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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: Kawai James] #2715151
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
... Please try the following example: ...


Thank you very much James, what you describe works exactly that way on my CA98 and thanks to you I think I begin to understand the ways the favorites work.

So it seems that there are a few things which I didn't realise until now:

The VT settings saved in a favorite are only active as long as a) the GUI is in the favorites screen and b) this favorite has been selected. As soon as one returns to the "Pianist" or "Sound" screen, the CA98 defaults back to the settings "saved to sound".

But I don't see the use of being able to save the VT settings in the favorites but them being only active when the favorites screen is shown. Well, it seems to be designed that way and to work.

And I still don't understand how the sound settings are saved in the favorites. Or not. So far, for me, only the first favorite works, provided "startup with favorites" is ON.

Regards
Patrick

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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: paf] #2715162
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Originally Posted by paf
But I don't see the use of being able to save the VT settings in the favorites but them being only active when the favorites screen is shown. Well, it seems to be designed that way and to work.

That's actually the same behavior as in the previous CA98/CA67 generation, where the favorites were called registration slots: The settings that were saved to a registration slot are only active as long as this slot is selected and active, which on the CA98/CA78 is equivalent to being on the favorites screen with the favorite selected. So in that regard, except for a change in terminology and a touch GUI, nothing has changed.

Originally Posted by paf
And I still don't understand how the sound settings are saved in the favorites. Or not. So far, for me, only the first favorite works, provided "startup with favorites" is ON.

I've recently written about my understanding of how this works (and where it is buggy and how to work around these bugs), in the NV10 thread (the NV10 has the same GUI software as the CA98 and CA78):
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...wai-novus-nv10-hands-on.html#Post2715090

Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: JoBert] #2715294
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Originally Posted by JoBert
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I've recently written about my understanding of how this works (and where it is buggy and how to work around these bugs), in the NV10 thread (the NV10 has the same GUI software as the CA98 and CA78):
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...wai-novus-nv10-hands-on.html#Post2715090

Great, thank you so much JoBert. You are good at reverse engineering...

So it seems to me that there are two things Kawai needs to address soon in the GUI of the CA78, CA98 and NV10:

  • Correct the bugs which make a not very intuitive functionality almost useless
  • Change the pilosophy of the favorites so that a piano player can understand their logicand make good use of them - an not let them as some programmer (who seems never to have used the piano) has implemented them.

And of course, some other improvements (see the other thead in this forum) would be welcome too


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Re: Kawai CA98/CA78 v1.0.2 software update - now available [Re: JoBert] #2715555
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Hello JoBert,

Originally Posted by JoBert
I've recently written about my understanding of how this works (and where it is buggy and how to work around these bugs), in the NV10 thread (the NV10 has the same GUI software as the CA98 and CA78):
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...wai-novus-nv10-hands-on.html#Post2715090


I responded to your post here.

To summarise, when checking the Favorites functions on a CA78 (v1.0.2) earlier, the top-left position Favorite was always selected automatically. As you'll see from the post linked above, I have asked to you send me a PM detailing how to reproduce the behaviour you're experiencing.

Kind regards,
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@Kawai James. Just purchased a CA78 (being delivered next week). I just want to say, you have the patience of a saint. I imagine this thread is going to scare a lot of people that don't make it all the way through simply due to "user errors". I do wonder when reading this if Kawai needs a beginner/advanced mode. Food for thought. Just here to say thanks, and much respect.

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Originally Posted by TheCallowPianist
@Kawai James. Just purchased a CA78 (being delivered next week). I just want to say, you have the patience of a saint. I imagine this thread is going to scare a lot of people that don't make it all the way through simply due to "user errors". I do wonder when reading this if Kawai needs a beginner/advanced mode. Food for thought. Just here to say thanks, and much respect.


Congratulations!

Some reported issues with the UI of CAx8 are indeed user related. However, I can tell that many of my "user errors" on the CA98 are a direct consequence of questionable UI design decisions. There are usability problems derived from the layout and structure of the UI combined with the navigation model (a mix of horizontal and vertical scrolling, swiping and "clicking") that have impact on multiple features, such as instrument selection in sound mode, layering and splitting, settings in pianist mode (character, resonance, ambience, ...), VT/setting editing, favourite management, just to name a few. In many cases, the current UI seems it was designed just to look nice. So, this is not about having a beginner/advanced mode but about having an UI designed for usability. Just have a look at a couple of well-designed smartphone apps to understand how complex inter-dependent settings can be easily managed on a small screen if the UI is properly designed. This is what the CAx8 fails to do.

However, I am quite sure who decides to invest on a CAx8 does it not because of the UI but due to the overall sound quality (especially in pianist mode) and keyboard action. But Kawai has an opportunity to improve and further differentiate the CAx8 and NV10 models if they do decide to improve the UI design instead making a couple of minor cosmetic changes. We just need Kawai James to help us securing that ;-)

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Hi

I've bought a ca78 (not delivered yet) and when I tried the ca78 / ca98 at the shop I noticed

1) touch screen of the ca78 was noisy. When I was moving it a noise would come out of the speakers
2) ca98 an F# (F#4 or F#5) would cause something to vibrate inside the piano next to the volume control
3) ca78 first time I plugged in the headphones, the GUI restarted (did not give much importance then, as I thought I accidentally touched the power button)

I was told 1 + 2 were due to the fact they arrived in a bad packaging and they had been opened recently and they had to be serviced again.
But, I see that 3 is a common issue and it scares me (what if it is an electric issue and needs a new pcb?)

I start getting cold feet and cant remove from the back of my mind the idea there are some teething issues here, product is probably too new at this stage.

I think this forum is costing Kawai a lot of customers and they need to come back with better answers than "contact your reseller". Headphone bug has been reported a month ago and there has not been a single comment from Kawai.
I understand this is not the official Kawai bug reporting channel, but whether they like it or not, people are reading it and they better step up their game to show they are fully behind it. They could start a project on github and use its issue reporting for instance, with developers and engineers commenting.

Ignoring these reports wont make them go away.

I am probably going back to the shop and cancel it as long as it is still easy to do so.

A very sad Andrea


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Originally Posted by arc_turus
In many cases, the current UI seems it was designed just to look nice.


One of the reasons I rejected the CA67 was because of the buggy software. Looks like they merely took that and tried to make it look nice rather than rewriting it.


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I agree. I wanted to buy a CA-98 but the Headphone Problem stopped me. An the "no Information" from Kawai did not help. Thank god for Kawai is the NU1X not flawless too... so I stay with my CLP-280 for the Moment.

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Originally Posted by Bit
I agree. I wanted to buy a CA-98 but the Headphone Problem stopped me. An the "no Information" from Kawai did not help. Thank god for Kawai is the NU1X not flawless too... so I stay with my CLP-280 for the Moment.

I plug and unplug headphones from my CA98 with the unit switched on almost on a daily basis and I have not yet experienced this problem once since I got the CA98 4 months ago. So, I am not sure if this is really a widespread issue or if there are just a couple of reported cases out there that got amplified via these forums.

Originally Posted by Colin Miles
One of the reasons I rejected the CA67 was because of the buggy software. Looks like they merely took that and tried to make it look nice rather than rewriting it.

Unfortunately I have to agree with this statement. The interface of the CAx8 is a glorified simulation of the button/menu-based interface of the older CAx3/5/7 models on a nice colour touchscreen. The new UI seems to ignore the fact that the CAx8 has no buttons anymore and that the layout and navigation principles on a touch-based device are not the same as on a button-based device. The result, as expected, is poor usability. Without a GUI designed for a touch-based device, the CAx8 (or newer models) will never take real advantage of this upgrade from the button-based interface. This is not about changing the existing functionality but thinking about the best way to present it to the user.

For example, selecting an instrument on the CAx5/7 requires pressing a category button followed by pressing the left/right buttons to navigate through the instruments within that category. On the CAx8 the sequence of steps to select an instrument are the same, and the UI follows the same layout and navigation mechanism as in CAx5/7 (e.g the left/right button press now replaced by a swipe left/right gesture). Such navigation is unusual on touch devices because there are more efficient and simpler ways to do it. The instrument selection in split/dual mode on the CAx8 is even more cumbersome due to the UI - it was easier on the CAx5/7, which is not a compliment. The VT/sound settings, Music, etc.. follow the same pattern. They are just copies of the old UI that take little advantage of the touch screen.

The new parts of the UI are the favourites screen and the pianist mode screen. The many issues with the favourites were already discussed in this thread. Once again the issue is not about functionality (favourites do work) but about the UI - one example, the UI does not allow to edit the settings of a saved favourite. And the pianist start screen is inconsistent with the rest of the UI - e.g. piano character types are selected using "buttons" while the rest of instruments are selected via swiping; resonance level is selected with a long-press on the start screen and long-presses are not used in any other part of the UI; ambience type/level are not in the pianist home screen nor in the VT settings. And I could go on...

Nevertheless, I am very happy with the CA98 and I would buy it again today even knowing all the issues with its UI. This DP is much more than its half-backed UI. Maybe Kawai eventually breaks free from old habits and releases a firmware update with an all new UI redesign ;-)


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Originally Posted by arc_turus
piano character types are selected using "buttons" while the rest of instruments are selected via swiping;

Tip: You don't have to use the arrow buttons to select rendering characters. You can just swipe left/right on the main screen (in the main/middle area of the screen).

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I didn't experienced any freezing when plugging headphones at the store. Not a hum when navigating. The interface seemed easy to use, though I mostly played on Pianist Mode. Reverb was easy to find too, can't see why is it 'hidden' to someone.


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So

have not changed my mind in the end and just received my ca78.
So far so good (actually really good).

Only thing is that I had to update the software twice as the first time the 3rd step (the long one, btw, what is it doing for 2 hours) filed once.
But the I fully reformatted the memory stick and worked.


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Originally Posted by Audetto
So

have not changed my mind in the end and just received my ca78.
So far so good (actually really good).

Only thing is that I had to update the software twice as the first time the 3rd step (the long one, btw, what is it doing for 2 hours) filed once.
But the I fully reformatted the memory stick and worked.


Congratulations! This is a trivial comment, but please do spend some time experimenting with the sound and VT settings as the sound quality of the CAx8 (especially the 98 due to the soundboard) greatly depends on properly adjusting it to the environment. Also read this thread to get insights on how to use the "favourites" functionality.

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maybe the crashes are a problem with specific headphones? Or are different Hardware Versions available?

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Originally Posted by mabraman
I didn't experienced any freezing when plugging headphones at the store. Not a hum when navigating. The interface seemed easy to use, though I mostly played on Pianist Mode. Reverb was easy to find too, can't see why is it 'hidden' to someone.


the freezing when plugging headphones it is only in pianist mode not on sound mode.

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Originally Posted by cocoherz


the freezing when plugging headphones it is only in pianist mode not on sound mode.


Could you upload a video of this issue?

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Originally Posted by TheCallowPianist
Originally Posted by cocoherz


the freezing when plugging headphones it is only in pianist mode not on sound mode.


Could you upload a video of this issue?


yes i can do it, but there is nothing special to see, just the screen goes off and on again wink

but it is strange, now i tried it again to connect the headphones to make video and it doesn't happen...

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That's what happened to me, too (on the NV10). 100% reproduceable touchscreen crash when inserting headphone plug into the jack (both 1/8" and 1/4")). Then it stopped and has never happened again since.

I'm starting to think it has something that may happen only in the first few bootups after factory update?


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Interesting. As I wrote in the NV10 thread, I had this happening to me in the shop every time (of the total of three times) when I inserted the headphones plug: Once with a CA98 and twice with an NV10.
Then at home, with my own NV10, it hasn't happened once yet during the whole time I've owned it (initially with the same headphones as I had used in the shop, which however I had to replace since then, as they developed an unrelated fault).

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Yep, my experience mirrored yours exactly, Jobert. About 5 consecutive crashes in the shop. I didn't really care about the issue because I don't use the headphone jack much with a VST and it doesn't affect the sound generator (you can still play while the screen is rebooting) so I bought that same unit expecting it to happen every time until some firmware it hardware fix is issued. But once I had it home, it has never crashed even once.


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I think it has nothing to do with the update. I first had 1.01 and thought that I did not make the new update because of these things with headphones which will happen after update. I had no problems with the plug-in the headphones. when I once plugged in the headphones in the pianist mode (played mostly sound mode) the touchscreen went off. I thought so, ok, seems to be only in the pianist mode and then I can also update to 1.02 if the problem anyway already is there.so i made the update, but never tried headphones till today. And today it does not happen anymore.

But for me it isn't a problem, I have other worries ... i just want to play with a good sound. i don't mind the touchscreen ...

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So I have contacted Kawai Europe about Favorite asking how I can inspect the settings of a Favorite in order to

1) know what values have been saved
2) use it as a base for further changes

I have reported as well some apparently random settings being selected at times and they told me there is an issue if one starts the piano with a Favorite and then deletes it.
The will do something about it.

But this was only a side issue, my main concern being 1 / 2 above.

The reply was

1) the use case they had in mind is: comparison between "current settings" and a "favorite", which requires that when one moves off the favorite page, the previous selected settings (I call them "current") are restored.

Fair enough, it is valid use case, not my top priority but understandable.

2) so I asked if they would add a button in the favorite tab to store the currently selected favorite into the "current" settings for inspection. They answered

"the structure of the CA78/CA98 is not designed for such kind of functionality"

which sounds to me like one of these sales script and which I interpret as

"sorry CA78 / CA98 are out, no more development, we will probably fix major issues, no more"

So in the era of Smart Phones, if you want to know what is saved in a Favorite, you have to write the values on a piece of paper, unless you can tell from the sound.

Maybe, if enough people ask for it, they will reconsider the decision.


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