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I have throttled back a bit on my coffee consumption. My playing seems to be less bad as a result.

Has anybody else had a similar experience?


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Just my guess but if I cut back on coffee mine would be worse from the sound of my forehead hitting the keys. laugh It would be cool however to have a keyboard imprint on my head.


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Originally Posted by Michael.
Just my guess but if I cut back on coffee mine would be worse from the sound of my forehead hitting the keys. laugh It would be cool however to have a keyboard imprint on my head.

It is desirable that this was a one-time experience, otherwise the keyboard imprint will be blurred ...

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It may be that your sleep quality is better, and that would improve every area of your life.

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I have at most 3 cups in a day. 2 in the morning, and a cup of half decaf in the late afternoon. I think it does make me a little twitchy though. My doctor says I shouldn't drink any, as he claims we become more sensitive to it as we get older.

I used to drink more coffee, probably measured in pots, but I don't think I could eliminate it all together. Maybe I could replace it with weed since it's now legal here, haha. I wonder what my playing would be like then.


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I find that coffee's fine so long as I get enough exercise, mainly running as it's so rhythmical. And enough is around 10 to 30 minutes a day. If I drink coffee and run (not at the same time, and at any time during the day) it helps me play the piano any other time during the day.

Coffee gives me the energy and incentive to play early in the morning, giving me extra practice time, and running prevents the coffee jitters.


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Philip, I'm curious as to how much coffee you had been drinking on a daily basis. And the strength of the brew. If you made coffee like my mother does, you could drink a gallon a day and the only thing you'd notice would be the extra exercise from trips to the restroom. On the other hand, my sister-in-law's coffee stands up and walks on its own to your coffee cup...... smile


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Back when I was a student the music department would have spun to a halt if the coffee machine broke down. And this was when Maxwell House was considered gourmet coffee.

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It may be that your coffee consumption was affecting the quality of your sleep. Sleep is crucial for cognitive tasks such as playing the piano and the effect of caffeine last much longer than people realize. It takes many hours for the body to completely metabolize caffeine (just like alcohol).


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I love coffee/ I love tea/
I love the java jive and it loves me!

Except when I get a caffeine withdrawal headache. I guess that's the dark side of addiction.

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I've wondered the same thing.(big coffee drinker) I believe TOO MUCH caffeine, relative to the individual, would absolutely effect playing. Now, caffeine can certainly increase productivity, which could be helpful in some parts of practicing. It can also have an adverse effect on focus, which would certainly hurt actual performance. There are probably, also relative to the individual, amounts of caffeine that are very helpful, and others amounts that are very hampering. Other factors also come into play.....how much food is in your belly, blood sugar levels, other meds, etc. This all probably brings up more questions than answers, but in short, it depends. Like any other drug, there is a complex formula of factors that determine how effective, ineffective, or detrimental it can be. Used correctly though, it can likely benefit is certain situations.


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If I drink tea, rather than coffee before playing, I find my fingers work better. I am just sort of more likely to sit down to a serious session, too. Coffee seems to make me too restless to sit down and concentrate.

Having said that I would never want to give up coffee. Or any of my other addictions for that matter.

Anybody up for anotehr piano party here?


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Originally Posted by bSharp(C)yclist
I have at most 3 cups in a day. 2 in the morning, and a cup of half decaf in the late afternoon. I think it does make me a little twitchy though. My doctor says I shouldn't drink any, as he claims we become more sensitive to it as we get older.

I used to drink more coffee, probably measured in pots, but I don't think I could eliminate it all together. Maybe I could replace it with weed since it's now legal here, haha. I wonder what my playing would be like then.


I've been missing my 2nd pot/cappuchino because I cut myself off from caffeine at 8:30pm. But I would probably need a 3rd before suffering an adverse piano reaction. My worst play of the week is always my lesson where I am only a few sips into my first portable cup.

Originally Posted by Michael.
Just my guess but if I cut back on coffee mine would be worse from the sound of my forehead hitting the keys. laugh It would be cool however to have a keyboard imprint on my head.


Only if you could get a major chord, it would probably be F# because the black keys would catch you.


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Just a minor forehead imprint then? Nothing to worry about.


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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
If I drink tea, rather than coffee before playing, I find my fingers work better.


I'm a tea drinker, and haven't noticed any effect on my playing. Some teas have more caffeine than coffee.


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It's recommended by Government Experts (UK div.) that coffee is very good for ole guys. The more the better; at least 5 cups a day will increase your quality of life, indeed, also your lifespan. This advisory body didn't specify the size of the cup.
I packed in the caffeinated stuff because my stomach told a different story. I'm on decaf instant, and honestly can't tell the difference.
Coffee was always a good nightcap for me. And good to wake up to . . . .still is.

Now. Beer . . . . . It's recommended by Government Experts (UK Div.) that beer is very good for ole guys . . . .


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Without coffee, I'd be unlikely to be conscious for any practice between waking up and going to work.


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I don't believe that any part of anybody's life is improved by coffee, or that is needed for normal functioning. Those of us who have become used to it think it improves our lives in some way, or is even necessary, because the effects of withdrawal are so uncomfortable.

However, the measurable physiological and neurological symptoms of caffeine withdrawal rarely last more than a couple of weeks. After that, if you still think you would do better with coffee (and I confess that I still do, from time to time), most likely some other problem is present.

A dependence on Coffee is a Western affectation, reinforced by the false believe that people who stay up to middle of the night and then spend the morning groaning like a sick bear are somehow more interesting than those of us who get up with the lark, the way nature intended.

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Yes, caffeine will make you ill. I have only one hit a week - I then can't stop talking and feel euphoric all morning.

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I believe there are some health benefits to smoking, too. The Government is so darned against it, there must be . . . .

https://www.sott.net/article/221013-Health-Benefits-of-Smoking-Tobacco

I've never been able to get into smoking. I have tried and failed. But now, at my time in life . . . those health benefits might well outweigh the disadvantages!

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Caffeine is an ergogenic drug, but it's probably the only one that's legal under IAAF rules. Many endurance athletes use it to boost performance during races. I myself used it to post my PB (= PR in USA) in the London Marathon, in my fourth marathon - it works best if you haven't used it for a few days (i.e. have a washout period, just like carbo-loading).

Caffeine is also recommended to help keep you alert during long drives (to avoid causing pile-ups on the M6) - I routinely stop at a service station and make myself (or buy) a mug of strong caffeinated beverage during the 600 mile drive towards my namesake, Ben Nevis grin. You can go online to check to see which coffeehouse chain dispense the strongest coffee, if that's what you're looking for, or you could just get one of those 'energy drinks' in a can, which often contain more caffeine than coffee.

As for its use for piano, I can imagine a bored teacher using it profitably so that he doesn't nod off in front of a student (he might dent the fallboard), or a tired student needing a last-minute burning of the midnight oil to memorise German terms like Leicht und zart (it's in Schumann's Arabeske, since you didn't ask) for the Grade 5 ABRSM Theory exam. I myself used it to help pass my school & university exams wink . It will help to increase your concentration when you're learning the notes on an intractable score like Ravel's Gaspard. But it will increase your anxiety level during performances - trembling, shaking etc - so I wouldn't recommend it for piano exams or recitals, especially if you already suffer from performance anxiety (like me).

So, coffee is (or rather, contains) a strong drug (or not, as the case may be). Use it with discretion........ thumb

Me, I just drink it.


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I have drunk four Americano cups of Ethiopian Yirgacheffe or Colombian Bucaramanga every day for the past seven years.

I play piano much better than I did seven years ago smile

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Originally Posted by Beemer
I have drunk four Americano cups of Ethiopian Yirgacheffe or Colombian Bucaramanga every day for the past seven years.

I play piano much better than I did seven years ago smile

Ian


Nice setup. I have a Nespresso machine which I absolutely love. Makes great coffee, although I wonder sometimes what exactly is in those pods.


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I hate that word Americano and refuse to use it. If I order coffee I expect just that, not a cup of hot water with an espresso thrown in!

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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
Coffee seems to make me too restless to sit down and concentrate.


Hmm, I wonder if there is something to that…
Maybe pre-caffeinated early-morning practice sessions might go a little better for me...
Guess there is a line between the stimulation of caffeine, and a counterproductive scattering effect.

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Can't say coffee is the only solution for everybody. It is the caffeine that keeps people awake so tea and energy drinks with caffeine probably has similar effects. When we were younger, coffee wasn't consumed regularly and we got by just the same. Didn't get to play Bach Minuets & Beethoven Sonatas in my childhood so can't say if coffee would have made a difference.

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Originally Posted by bennevis
Caffeine is an ergogenic drug, but it's probably the only one that's legal under IAAF rules. Many endurance athletes use it to boost performance during races. I myself used it to post my PB (= PR in USA) in the London Marathon, in my fourth marathon - it works best if you haven't used it for a few days (i.e. have a washout period, just like carbo-loading).

Caffeine is also recommended to help keep you alert during long drives (to avoid causing pile-ups on the M6) - I routinely stop at a service station and make myself (or buy) a mug of strong caffeinated beverage during the 600 mile drive towards my namesake, Ben Nevis grin. You can go online to check to see which coffeehouse chain dispense the strongest coffee, if that's what you're looking for, or you could just get one of those 'energy drinks' in a can, which often contain more caffeine than coffee.

As for its use for piano, I can imagine a bored teacher using it profitably so that he doesn't nod off in front of a student (he might dent the fallboard), or a tired student needing a last-minute burning of the midnight oil to memorise German terms like Leicht und zart (it's in Schumann's Arabeske, since you didn't ask) for the Grade 5 ABRSM Theory exam. I myself used it to help pass my school & university exams wink . It will help to increase your concentration when you're learning the notes on an intractable score like Ravel's Gaspard. But it will increase your anxiety level during performances - trembling, shaking etc - so I wouldn't recommend it for piano exams or recitals, especially if you already suffer from performance anxiety (like me).

So, coffee is (or rather, contains) a strong drug (or not, as the case may be). Use it with discretion........ thumb

Me, I just drink it.


I went to a talk once by Frank Shorter who explained that until the '70s marathon runners were not allowed to take any fluids at all during a race because it was "cheating". After the IAAF backed away from that idea runners were allowed to take water or a sports drink at certain points during the race. Except at the time there weren't any sports drinks yet, so the marathoner's drink of choice was flat coke, which had sugar and caffeine. It's all different now.

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There is a correlation (not to be confused with causation) between coffee intake and mortality and it follows an upside-down U-shaped curve. Too much or too little coffee correlated with higher mortality. The sweet spot was roughly between 3-5 cups a day.

Coffe Intake and Mortality


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Originally Posted by David Farley


I went to a talk once by Frank Shorter who explained that until the '70s marathon runners were not allowed to take any fluids at all during a race because it was "cheating". After the IAAF backed away from that idea runners were allowed to take water or a sports drink at certain points during the race. Except at the time there weren't any sports drinks yet, so the marathoner's drink of choice was flat coke, which had sugar and caffeine. It's all different now.

Not all sports drinks contain caffeine - the London Marathon uses one that doesn't (Lucozade Sport, which contains unnecessary vitamins instead). But it's better to ingest the caffeine about one hour before the race, rather than during it. I use caffeine tablets for my races - four tablets of 50mg each - rather than a caffeinated drink, because I don't want to risk a stomach upset while running. Apparently, 3mg of caffeine per kg bodyweight is the sweet spot.

For those who need an immediate caffeine boost, caffeine chewing gum delivers the goods (because it's absorbed straight into the bloodstream via your mouth) within 5 minutes. That's what soccer clubs give their players during half-time, to reduce the risk of them collapsing from exhaustion before the final whistle...... grin


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Originally Posted by Stubbie
There is a correlation (not to be confused with causation) between coffee intake and mortality and it follows an upside-down U-shaped curve. Too much or too little coffee correlated with higher mortality. The sweet spot was roughly between 3-5 cups a day.

Coffe Intake and Mortality


There's also a direct correlation between fatalities/serious bodily injury and people interfering with my acquisition of coffee. That curve looks more like " / "


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A day without coffee is "sleep".


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Originally Posted by Peyton
A day without coffee is "sleep".
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I think the 'ritual' of coffee is just as important to me as the caffeine boost.* I like my coffee hot. No cream and no sugar. Preferably drunk from my favorite coffee mug. I don't try to drink coffee during my piano practice time, though. The coffee just gets cold.


*I tried switching to tea once or twice and it just wasn't the same. My guesstimate was that I was getting about the same amount of caffeine.


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I am told tea gives a different kind of caffeine.

So, what do I know? Am I a caffeinologist>?


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Caffeine from tea vs. coffee: the caffeine is the same (by definition or else it would have a different name and chemical formula) and its receptors would not be able to distinguish the source (coffee, tea, cola, chocolate, pills, etc). There could, theoretically, be some difference in absorption/bioavailability based on the source, though.


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No coffee - tea, which I brew and then drink iced - sweet southern iced tea.

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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
I am told tea gives a different kind of caffeine.

Originally Posted by Stubbie
Caffeine from tea vs. coffee: the caffeine is the same (by definition or else it would have a different name and chemical formula) and its receptors would not be able to distinguish the source (coffee, tea, cola, chocolate, pills, etc). There could, theoretically, be some difference in absorption/bioavailability based on the source, though.


I definitely feel more sensitive to coffee than tea. I drink quite a lot of tea (4-5 cups a day), and 1 or max 2 cups of coffee. My body really notices the cup of coffee!
So I think that (as I take them) I must be getting quite a bit more caffeine from a cup of coffee.

There have been plenty of studies showing health benefits associated with moderate caffeine intake, so this isn't something that I bother worrying about or feeling guilty about.
I do stop my caffeine intake fairly early in the day to avoid impacting sleep quality (which I'd certainly consider a negative from a health and quality of life point of view).

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I love coffee/ I love tea/
I love the java jive and it loves me!

Except when I get a caffeine withdrawal headache. I guess that's the dark side of addiction.



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I'm a programmer in my day job, so caffeine consumption is practically in the job description. I usually average about 3 cups per weekday (less on weekends), but I stick to decaffeinated drinks after 7:30pm.

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I used to be a really heavy booze drinker until quitting 7 yrs ago. I confess that I now have the same “taste” or desire, if you will, for coffee and diet sodas. Maybe it’s addictive personality but I’m also hooked on music so it’s not all bad. I’m with Sam on the iced tea as well.


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I got temporarily hooked on brewed coffee, after a friend returned from Costa Rica bearing gifts of bags of coffee. When she found out that I was an "instant coffee" person, and had no way of using the Costa Rican coffee… she thoughtfully provided me with a coffee machine as well!

I found out that the stuff is a lot more addictive than instant. A cup of brewed seemed in some weird way, to be alive or have a personality of its own. And flavor! It didn't help that I always, accidentally/deliberately, made it way too strong, black as black. (Whoops, guess I'll just add more cream.) I added a second cup to breakfast... then at lunchtime as well, then mid-afternoon, and then suppertime.

I looked at the coffee machine one day and thought, This coffee craze is going nowhere but around in circles. So I washed it out one final time and set it in a corner of my kitchen. Back to my utilitarian instant granules… One ordinary, unassuming cup is all I need at breakfast time, and it doesn't ask any more of me than that, or try to go beyond its bounds…

(I am feeling headachy and lethargic, and a small cup of weak instant helps with the worst of that, but that shouldn't last long.)

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Speaking of instant coffee, I was amazed when I was talking to a Milennial generation young person and asked her opinion of the brand I used. She said "I never have tried instant coffee." Also what happened to all the instant coffee commercials that used to be on constantly? Fortunately Folgers and Tasters Choice have quietly continued to produce their consistent, though different, brands for us to enjoy.

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Originally Posted by f4tune81
Speaking of instant coffee, I was amazed when I was talking to a Milennial generation young person and asked her opinion of the brand I used. She said "I never have tried instant coffee." Also what happened to all the instant coffee commercials that used to be on constantly? Fortunately Folgers and Tasters Choice have quietly continued to produce their consistent, though different, brands for us to enjoy.

Don't forget the greatest instant coffees of them all! I keep meaning to look for some of these. They still make them, I guess.

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Did anyone used to make Russian Tea? We lived on this stuff in the 70s. With Tang, of course, or it's not really Russian Tea. It's actually a very "piano" drink for me because that's when I was first taking lessons and banging away on the little Yamaha M2F.

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Did anyone used to make Russian Tea? We lived on this stuff in the 70s. With Tang, of course, or it's not really Russian Tea. It's actually a very "piano" drink for me because that's when I was first taking lessons and banging away on the little Yamaha M2F.

https://todayscreativelife.com/russian-tea/

Yes! I hadn't thought about that in years and years. A small restaurant on the upper floor of an old brick building in the city I used to live in sold it and I always had some when I ate there.


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I find that coffee makes my playing worse and alcohol makes me plays better, mainly because coffee makes me more alert and tense, while alcohol makes me more relaxed. I play better when I am more relaxed.

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Originally Posted by EdmondRhapsody
I find that coffee makes my playing worse and alcohol makes me plays better, ...


Maybe make some recordings and play them back. It could be that alcohol makes you less critical of your results.


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I find that coffee makes my playing worse and alcohol makes me plays better, ...


Maybe make some recordings and play them back. It could be that alcohol makes you less critical of your results.



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I drink coffee when I'm practising but not when performing. When I'm practicing, I need all my concentration and faculties (what little I've got of them in my old age) to focus on what I'm doing. I need to notice any slight unevenness in rhythm or runs/passagework, and fix them. Coffee/caffeine helps in that, and it also (very slightly) simulates the effect of the nerves/excitement that I experience when performing for an audience, and so I learn how to control that.

Whereas what alcohol does is to make you think you're better than you actually are (as pianist, as driver, as Adonis/Venus...... wink ), while impairing your concentration, coordination and reflexes.


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I love coffee. Really nothing else to add to that other than good old artery clogging heavy cream.

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I take mine black (no surprises there given my beliefs) and without sugar. I would take it without water if I could work out how.


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I take mine black (no surprises there given my beliefs) and without sugar. I would take it without water if I could work out how.

Buy coffee beans to chew?

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I take mine black (no surprises there given my beliefs) and without sugar. I would take it without water if I could work out how.

Buy coffee beans to chew?


https://www.amazon.co.uk/CAROL-ANNE...r=8-1&keywords=coffe+beans+chocolate

Taste like sh*t, though.

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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
I take mine black (no surprises there given my beliefs) and without sugar. I would take it without water if I could work out how.

I've had some delicious chocolate embedded with tiny coffee chips from them (which gives the choc a crunchy bite and a strong but not overpowering coffee taste):

https://www.hotelchocolat.com/uk

They've also experimented with chilli flakes in their chocolate, as well as sea-salt and other delicacies.....


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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
I take mine black (no surprises there given my beliefs)...


Isn't coffee pareve?


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I hate that word Americano and refuse to use it. If I order coffee I expect just that, not a cup of hot water with an espresso thrown in!


Not so, an Americano is an espresso with added water. Quite different.

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What gets me is if you don't pay 40p extra they pour half the espresso down the sink!

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I hate that word Americano and refuse to use it. If I order coffee I expect just that, not a cup of hot water with an espresso thrown in!


Not so, an Americano is an espresso with added water. Quite different.

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I put in (precisely) 5ml milk, then pour in coffee to the "fill line" in my mug. Milk with added coffee tastes much better than coffee with added milk.


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Originally Posted by Beemer
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I hate that word Americano and refuse to use it. If I order coffee I expect just that, not a cup of hot water with an espresso thrown in!
Not so, an Americano is an espresso with added water. Quite different.
I wasted part of my recent trip to UK trying to find what we in Australia call a Long Black. "Oh, that's an Americano" they kept saying. But it wasn't a LB. Finally worked out that an Australian LB adds the shot of espresso to the hot water, thus preserving the crema. An Americano (as I had it everywhere in England before I gave up and had tea, which, by the way, was excellent) just pours hot water on top of the espresso.


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Originally Posted by Beemer
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I hate that word Americano and refuse to use it. If I order coffee I expect just that, not a cup of hot water with an espresso thrown in!


Not so, an Americano is an espresso with added water. Quite different.


Huh?
Pour espresso into water
is different from
Pour water into espresso?

So tell me, what if you pour water and espresso simultaneously into a new glass?
Is that different?


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Originally Posted by malkin

Huh?
Pour espresso into water
is different from
Pour water into espresso?


It makes a difference with highly concentrated acids, but I can't imagine it matters with coffee. If it does, I wouldn't drink the stuff..... ;-)


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I hate that word Americano and refuse to use it. If I order coffee I expect just that, not a cup of hot water with an espresso thrown in!


Not so, an Americano is an espresso with added water. Quite different.

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I prefer coffee with my milk rather than milk with my coffee.

I put in (precisely) 5ml milk, then pour in coffee to the "fill line" in my mug. Milk with added coffee tastes much better than coffee with added milk.



Ok, I'll bite, probably regret it, but what difference does it make?

Of course Bennevis, like I have said before, you are most likely correct.

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Ok, I'll bite, probably regret it, but what difference does it make?


I'd like to see the results of a blind taste test.


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Originally Posted by bennevis
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I hate that word Americano and refuse to use it. If I order coffee I expect just that, not a cup of hot water with an espresso thrown in!


Not so, an Americano is an espresso with added water. Quite different.

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I put in (precisely) 5ml milk, then pour in coffee to the "fill line" in my mug. Milk with added coffee tastes much better than coffee with added milk.


It also saves having to stir.

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I hate that word Americano and refuse to use it. If I order coffee I expect just that, not a cup of hot water with an espresso thrown in!


Not so, an Americano is an espresso with added water. Quite different.

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I prefer coffee with my milk rather than milk with my coffee.

I put in (precisely) 5ml milk, then pour in coffee to the "fill line" in my mug. Milk with added coffee tastes much better than coffee with added milk.

It also saves having to stir.


I feel stirred to say that I always add milk or cream after. However, with instant coffee, who the heck cares *what* I do with it!

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Ok, I'll bite, probably regret it, but what difference does it make?


I'd like to see the results of a blind taste test.


Some reading here:

https://www.home-barista.com/tips/americano-does-water-go-in-before-or-after-espresso-t39204.html

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Beemer,

After reading that thread, I must say those people have absolutely no serious issues in their life.

Now if we want to argue the correct methodology to practicing our beloved instrument, now that is worth a discussion.

Of course you can have my coffee when they pry it out of my dead cold hand.

Like that thread stated we need to give Bennevis a blind taste test to confirm milk first.

Thanks for posting that thread Beemer!

I wonder how long we can keep this thread going, on coffee no less. Who would have thought...

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Originally Posted by Epee
need to give Bennevis a blind taste test to confirm milk first.

No need. grin

Like everything I say (well, most of the time cool), it's based on strict scientific principles.

When you add hot coffee to milk, you don't stir. You don't even shake à la 007. You don't need to use any cold metal implement at all, which might give your beverage an unwanted metallic taste.

That, in a nutshell (which has no metal), is precisely why coffee with milk is always better than milk with coffee. Because it's just pure, unadulterated milk with added coffee, untainted by anything.


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need to give Bennevis a blind taste test to confirm milk first.

No need. grin

Like everything I say (well, most of the time cool), it's based on strict scientific principles.

When you add hot coffee to milk, you don't stir. You don't even shake à la 007. You don't need to use any cold metal implement at all, which might give your beverage an unwanted metallic taste.

That, in a nutshell (which has no metal), is precisely why coffee with milk is always better than milk with coffee. Because it's just pure, unadulterated milk with added coffee, untainted by anything.


I agree. I always pour the coconut milk/cream in first, then the coffee - no need to stir anything. People at work do that opposite, and then use those plastic red straws to stir, throw it in the wastebasket, which then ends up in a landfill, and then birds eat it, and can't digest it, stomachs fill with all this plastic crap and then end up starving to death ... Watch "A Plastic Ocean". It's pretty sad.


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Fascinating, I never stir my coffee, I just pour the milk into my coffee in my 20 oz. stainless steel mug, put the lid on and drink. The less steps to my coffee in the morning the better. On weekends I drink about 48 oz. of coffee with 12 oz. of milk. During the week 32 oz. have to cut back a little bit. It makes for playing those fast scores easier.


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Coconut milk!? You're 'aving a larf mate!

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Coconut milk!? You're 'aving a larf mate!

Everyday smile I also use a lot of coconut oil, it's the only oil I cook with.


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Coconut milk has much more saturated fat than cow's (or any other animal's) milk, but - apparently - it's "good" saturated fat.

So they say.......


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Yea, I don't let the saturated fat stuff scare me too much. I started going that way when I changed my diet and followed what's called Wheat Belly. Fat is good for you smile


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So that's the diet I'm on! I highly recommend it. It's modus operandi is how uncivilised it is.

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So that's the diet I'm on! I highly recommend it. It's modus operandi is how uncivilised it is.


I highly recommend it too. Not a diet, just a new way of life smile I've been following that since the fall of 2014. I'll never go back to eating how I did before. I'm always amazed by the success stories that Dr. Davis posts.


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I hate that word Americano and refuse to use it. If I order coffee I expect just that, not a cup of hot water with an espresso thrown in!
Not so, an Americano is an espresso with added water. Quite different.
I wasted part of my recent trip to UK trying to find what we in Australia call a Long Black. "Oh, that's an Americano" they kept saying. But it wasn't a LB. Finally worked out that an Australian LB adds the shot of espresso to the hot water, thus preserving the crema. An Americano (as I had it everywhere in England before I gave up and had tea, which, by the way, was excellent) just pours hot water on top of the espresso.

Bumping this thread because I am at the Old Town night office sipping on an Americano, and he definitely poured the shot into the hot water.


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Bumping this thread because I am at the Old Town night office sipping on an Americano, and he definitely poured the shot into the hot water.
But did it have a crema? smile


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If Wikipedia is correct then I guess I will have to take back my comment about "adding water to the espresso to make an Americano".

Now if you have 30 minutes to spare between practicing you can read this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coffee_drinks

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My first morning in Australia, Bondi Beach it was, I walked into one of the coffee emporiums and because I'm a simple man with simple tastes I asked for a large, dark roast drip coffee. The dear thing looked at me like I was speaking Czech and asked me what I meant. I said, you know, ground up coffee that you pour water through using a filter. She was still clueless as to what I wanted. I started to suspect that maybe since it was a coffee bar in a foreign, to me, country that all they did was espresso drinks so I changed my order to an Americano. "I don't know what that is" she said as nicely as she could. I explained, you pull a double shot in a big mug and add hot water to it to fill the mug. She went to a manager to see if he knew how to do that. At that point she returned and said you want a "tall dark". It was 8;00 after a 21 hour flight day (L.A. to Fiji to Sydney), my hosts were asleep and I needed anything that had caffeine in it so I said, "Yes, that one, I'll take it." It wasn't the same as an americano, less water but it was good coffee. They take coffee very seriously in Australia and the average of quality was very high wherever I went. Don't get me started on the beer.

I make the coffee for my wife most mornings. Decent quality beans, clean tasting water and a pour-over filter. One day while waiting for drippage I prepared her cup I added a splash of half and half and the heaping teaspoon of sugar. On a whim I mixed the sugar and dairy into a paste in the bottom of the cup before adding the coffee. "MMMMMM" she said, "Coffee's extra good today honey." I did it the regular way for a few days and then did it again with mixing together the cream and sugar in the cup before adding the hot coffee. I got the same result, a compliment on how good the coffee was that day. Maybe there's something to this chemically like when you add chili and other spices to the hot oil the "bloom" them before adding liquids to the pot. Who knows, I'm not a scientist.

I always have a coffee, tea or in the evening maybe a glass of whisky near me when I play the piano. It's a nervous habit replacement for the ciggies I used to smoke. Because I have a dose of the ADD. I think the caffeine helps me stay on the bench a little longer like the way they give amphetamines to kids to help them stay focused in school.

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Bumping this thread because I am at the Old Town night office sipping on an Americano, and he definitely poured the shot into the hot water.
But did it have a crema? smile


It absolutely had an unappealing brown layer on top that I hid with a cover. But when I finished today, the crema had dissolved.


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