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Is Mozart the most "major key composer" for piano works? #2701297
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Seems like no major composer is even close in terms of the percentage of piano works in major keys:

1.16 of 18 piano sonatas in major keys
2. 6 of 6 4-hand piano sonatas in major keys
3. 25 of 27 piano concerti in major keys
4. 19 of 20 sonatas for piano and violin in major keys

That's a 93% and my guess most other major composers are around 50%.

I can only think of a few other Mozart piano works in minor keys, the A minor Rondo and B minor Adagio.

Is there any composer even close to Mozart in his choice of major keys for piano works?

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No.


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Haydn?

sonatas: there is some dispute how many sonatas there are, and how to include/order movements (which affects the key of the whole work) but on way of counting them has it this way: 30 of 34 in major keys
piano trios: 37 of 45 in major keys
four hand pieces: 2 of 2 in major keys
piano concerti: 11 of 11 in major keys

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Re: Is Mozart the most "major key composer" for piano works? [Re: pianoloverus] #2701324
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Well, there's also the C Minor Fantasy and the D Minor Fantasy.

It seems like whenever Mozart ventures into the minor mode, he hits a home run. And that includes the symphonies.


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
No.

I'd say yes. smile

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No.

I'd say yes. smile

I was replying to the last sentence of the original post.


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
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No.

I'd say yes. smile

I was replying to the last sentence of the original post.


That's why it helps to quote what one is responding to. One doesn't have to quote the entire post if one is responding to a single remark, but quoting sure helps the readers understand more clearly.

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......and in fact, looking at his post (just look at it!) grin it looks like what he's replying to is the question in the title of the thread.

But no matter -- we're agreeing on the basic point. Not that we have to.... ha

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Originally Posted by hreichgott
Haydn?

sonatas: there is some dispute how many sonatas there are, and how to include/order movements (which affects the key of the whole work) but on way of counting them has it this way: 30 of 34 in major keys
piano trios: 37 of 45 in major keys
four hand pieces: 2 of 2 in major keys
piano concerti: 11 of 11 in major keys
This works out to 87% which I think is incredibly high although slightly less than Mozart's percentage. My guess is that almost every other famous composer is nowhere near these percentages.

Are there any other composers whose output is extremely tilted towards major keys?

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I would say the relation major - minor is generally something like 70% - 30%, isn't it? Certainly not 50-50....

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Beethoven Symphonies: 7 major, 2 minor = 22%
Beethoven Piano Sonatas: 23 major, 9 minor = 40%
Beethoven String Quartets: 11 major, 5 minor = 31%

I hope I did all the counting and calculating right! :-)

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Originally Posted by Eric399
Beethoven Symphonies: 7 major, 2 minor = 22%
Beethoven Piano Sonatas: 23 major, 9 minor = 40%
Beethoven String Quartets: 11 major, 5 minor = 31%
This is 72% although you omitted the concerti, variation sets, etc. which might make the percentage go even higher.

I think the percentage of major works in major keys is less(around 50%) for composers like Bach and most of the Romantic composers(Chopin, Schumann, Brahms, Liszt, etc.) but I have no figures to back me up.

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Ok, Schumann. Normally, this would be your job, but I've got nothing to do anyway.... So, I took the wikipedia list of piano works and looked them up on IMSLP. To be really scientific, I should have to check every single piece in every cycle, but I took the liberty to omit a couple of works and counted.... well, liberally. Here goes:

Schumann Piano Works/Keys

op.1: major
op.2: begins and ends in major
op.3: 2 in minor, 4 in major
op.4: 4 in minor, 2 in major
op.5: major
op.6: begins and ends in major
op.7: major
op.8: minor
op.9: begins and ends in major
op.10: only 1 of 6 in major
op.11: minor
op.12: 5 major, 3 minor
op.13: mostly minor
op.14: minor
op.15: I'm not counting that
op.16: I'm not counting that, either
op.17: major
op.18: major
op.19: major
op.20: major
op.21: 7 major, 1 minor (though ends in major)
op.22: minor
op.23: all 4 major
op.26: starts and ends in major
op.28: 2 major, 1 minor
op.32: 1 major, 3 minor
skipping some piano works here....
op.126: 2 major, 5 minor
op.133: 4 major, 1 minor
woO24: major

Now, my modest sample totals 38 major and 23 minor. If you want this really properly done, as always, you'll have to do it yourself...... :-)

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Would it be safe to conjecture, given the philosophical differences between that long period known as the "Age of Enlightenment" and the "Romantic" period that followed, that we could expect more composers to write more compositions in the minor key in the later period than those written in the earlier.

For that reason it doesn't surprise me that Mozart is a "more major-tonality" composer than many a composer of the era that followed the Classical Period.

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I think it's Mozart, and Haydn not far behind him.

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If you weight the piece categories equally then Haydn's percentage becomes just 1 short of Mozart's.


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
If you weight the piece categories equally then Haydn's percentage becomes just 1 short of Mozart's.

I suspect that you have tongue firmly in cheek. ha

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What about Joplin...

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Originally Posted by JoelW
What about Joplin...
Perhaps, but in this thread I'm only interested in including classical composers who wrote for the piano(no Johann Strauss either) in the mix.

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Originally Posted by BruceD
Would it be safe to conjecture, given the philosophical differences between that long period known as the "Age of Enlightenment" and the "Romantic" period that followed, that we could expect more composers to write more compositions in the minor key in the later period than those written in the earlier.

For that reason it doesn't surprise me that Mozart is a "more major-tonality" composer than many a composer of the era that followed the Classical Period.

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Maybe yes, but I'm not sure what philosophical differences you mean? Care to elaborate?

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