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Re: Kawai CA98...First Impressions [Re: Tommy S] #2697622
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No software or firmware update for Kawai CA78 and CA98 as yet.
Only for CA67/CA97 and CA and CS previous versions.

You can check on this link:
http://www.kawai-global.com/support/updates/

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Originally Posted by Vadesriux
No software or firmware update for Kawai CA78 and CA98 as yet.
Only for CA67/CA97 and CA and CS previous versions.

You can check on this link:
http://www.kawai-global.com/support/updates/


Its perhaps only on the german website
https://www.kawai.de/support/downloadcenter/ca98/

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Originally Posted by cocoherz
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To be honest, the Kawai action and features wrapped in the 685 cabinet would be my ultimate DP. 3hearts

Yes i think the same, even the clp 675 cabinet is nicer smile

You already played the clp 545, so how to you compare the sound in the basssline ?
Is the sound from the 98 in the bassline really so terrible ?


The thing is, the difference between speaker mode and headphones wasn't that huge on the CLP-545 like it's on the CA-98. The whole experience between both is completely different. If i play the CA-98 with Headphones on (Beyerdynamic DT-990 Pro) it sounds crystal clear with a meaty bassline and enormous pressure. Without, it feels like there is something missing. A thing that i haven't encountered on the CLP-545 in that manner. The lower keys produce a well and nice rounded aggressive sharp sound but not bass heavy enough. It's not a sample problem. I think the soundboard can't reproduce the bass like a subwoofer can do. I've searched about that but i haven't found a solution yet. Most people are fine with it so either it's my DP which is acting different from others or it's just me who doesn't like this sound.

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The only thing i dislike (aside from the awful cabinet style) is the speaker sound which is shallowed in the bassline. No pressure. The cabinet is vibrating and all but for me, it doesn't sound right, similar to a low budget Arius.


Well, coming from a low budget Arius (YDP 163), I can say the sound is much better in every dimension to my ears. Again, realize that sound perception is both subjective and dictated by room/environment but that said in particular to me is how good the bass end sounds. Not just in comparison to the Arius (no surprise there), but overall.

There's a lot of dimensions to sound EQ and sound quality that can also be adjusted, so I've been working with those a bit as well via Settings and Virtual Technician. Lots of sound tailoring options.

Certainly just my opinion on this, realize completely that the sound needs to work for the individual. Good luck in your search!


In Pianist Mode, you don't have most settings available and in sound mode there are options for everything but nothing takes effect to produce a more meaty bass. I could use an external amp so the sound is the same like the headphone one, but i just don't like it to use external hardware to achieve this.

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No software or firmware update for Kawai CA78 and CA98 as yet.
Only for CA67/CA97 and CA and CS previous versions.

You can check on this link:
http://www.kawai-global.com/support/updates/


Its perhaps only on the german website
https://www.kawai.de/support/downloadcenter/ca98/


This is the equalizer update i got in the past.

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Originally Posted by Tyr
The whole experience between both is completely different. If i play the CA-98 with Headphones on (Beyerdynamic DT-990 Pro) it sounds crystal clear with a meaty bassline and enormous pressure. Without, it feels like there is something missing.

An expected outcome.
The DT990 is NOT a neutral Headphone.
That would be the DT880.
The 990 has slight emphasis on bass and treble.

Also, don't forget room acoustics. Infinitely more difficult to get the same nice sound via speakers.


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Re: Kawai CA98...First Impressions [Re: Tommy S] #2697673
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I think most speaker setups of digital pianos are utterly garbage and the room accoustic is just a minor issue. The raw sound quality does not resemble what manufacturers advertise. Heck, my old P-115 with 2 x 7W build in speakers had a better sound production as the YDP-163 i had for two days.

I've tried several positions in the room but that had no effect on the sound coming out of the dp. Tomorrow i'll visit a music store to test the CA-98 in another environment.


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Originally Posted by cocoherz
Originally Posted by Vadesriux
No software or firmware update for Kawai CA78 and CA98 as yet.
Only for CA67/CA97 and CA and CS previous versions.

You can check on this link:
http://www.kawai-global.com/support/updates/


Its perhaps only on the german website
https://www.kawai.de/support/downloadcenter/ca98/


This is the equalizer update i got in the past.

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So, no return to prior version if you flash an update and want to roll back? Surprised they don't provide the original flash version.


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Fire and forget update. wink


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Originally Posted by Tyr
I think most speaker setups of digital pianos are utterly garbage and the room accoustic is just a minor issue.

You do realize, that you have to spend A LOT of money on speakers to approach the sound quality of high end headphones like the DT 990.

Most DPs don't have the raw budget for that.

That being said: are you sure that the sound quality of the 98 is a problem or is it the sound signature of the equipment?


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I don't want or expect the sound of such headphones via speakers. The older 545 doesn't had the same sound via speakers as via headphones too. Maybe the speaker setup of the kawai isn't just right for my ears.

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Tommy S, thank you for your detailed review, congrats on your new piano!

Originally Posted by Vadesriux
No software or firmware update for Kawai CA78 and CA98 as yet.
Only for CA67/CA97 and CA and CS previous versions.

You can check on this link:
http://www.kawai-global.com/support/updates/


As noted above, most CA98/CA78 instruments would have shipped with v1.01 already.
We hope to have the next software update available in time for Christmas.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Tommy S, thank you for your detailed review, congrats on your new piano!

Originally Posted by Vadesriux
No software or firmware update for Kawai CA78 and CA98 as yet.
Only for CA67/CA97 and CA and CS previous versions.

You can check on this link:
http://www.kawai-global.com/support/updates/


As noted above, most CA98/CA78 instruments would have shipped with v1.01 already.
We hope to have the next software update available in time for Christmas.

Cheers,
James
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So v1.01 is the newest one ? Or which one is on the german website?

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Tommy S, thank you for your detailed review, congrats on your new piano!

Originally Posted by Vadesriux
No software or firmware update for Kawai CA78 and CA98 as yet.
Only for CA67/CA97 and CA and CS previous versions.

You can check on this link:
http://www.kawai-global.com/support/updates/


As noted above, most CA98/CA78 instruments would have shipped with v1.01 already.
We hope to have the next software update available in time for Christmas.

Cheers,
James
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Thanks James!

Any thoughts why in Pianist Mode I get rogue bell-like harmonics in the octave above middle C? Have tried changing resonance, individual key volume, etc. Little difference, they are still there.

The SK EK in Sound Mode is absolutely fine with no harmonics, as are all other Sound Mode models.

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So I played with the CA98 (and the CA78) for about an hour this weekend. I'd been holding off purchasing a new piano waiting for this to try out. Though I did quite like the action, even after 15 minutes of tweaking I couldn't get a sound from either one that I was satisfied with. I agree with Tommy S that the pianist mode sounds didn't seem that great over speakers (I heard the same ringing overtones and found the midrange very muddy.) The sound was improved over headphones, but I also felt that the non-pianist mode SK-EX was more pleasing to my ears.

I admit, I was surprised and a little disappointed given how fond I am of my ES-110, I had high hopes. I wound up going with a different piano.

My quick synopsis:

Pro:
- The key action is very nice, it was very easy to play gently and smoothly
- The tactile feel of the keys is superior to every other DP I've played, the surface is fantastic
- The selection of features is excellent versus competitors
- Pedal feel was spot on
- Features were easy to find and set with the touch screen

Con:
- Though the new sound system was definitely more powerful and seemed to "come from the piano" (as opposed to the CA78 where it was obviously coming from speakers) it wasn't as clean as competitors and I could never get it to sound really good. The mid range was muddy and the bass weak, even spending a lot of time tweaking sound parameters. Headphone sound was clearly superior to the speakers.
- Pianist mode underwhelming, preferred the SK-EX sound.
- The cabinet looked and felt cheap compared to competitors
- The demo volume issue is verified, Kawai should really consider fixing this in an update. I played for a bit and then put on a demo and it hurt my ears. I'm glad the salesman didn't come running in to yell at me smile

Undecided:
- Though the touch screen UI was well thought out, I had a problem with the touch screen itself. It's possible it's because I'm very tall, but, especially when I had things like the sound menu up (where you're presented with a list of options) I would consistently hit what I thought was the right item, but the item under where I thought I was pressing actually got selected. I noted that the transparent cover seemed fairly thick (which is great from a sturdiness point of view) but may have been responsible for viewing angle problems and my mis-selections.
- Not really sure what the soundboard gave me. Unfortunately I'd never played a CA-97 so I didn't have a comparison. I'm assuming it's what made the sound appear to be coming more from the piano than from a speaker, so maybe a pro? But it seems like the speaker configuration is a little different between the 78 and 98 so I'm not sure. I didn't feel the vibrations some people mentioned.

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Originally Posted by squidbot
Con:
- Though the new sound system was definitely more powerful and seemed to "come from the piano" (as opposed to the CA78 where it was obviously coming from speakers) it wasn't as clean as competitors and I could never get it to sound really good. The mid range was muddy and the bass weak, even spending a lot of time tweaking sound parameters. Headphone sound was clearly superior to the speakers.
- Pianist mode underwhelming, preferred the SK-EX sound.
- The cabinet looked and felt cheap compared to competitors
- The demo volume issue is verified,this should be fixed in an update. I played for a bit and then put on a demo and it hurt my ears. I'm glad the salesman didn't come running in to yell at me smile


I'm in the same boat to all of them. Too bad i bought it already. Today i was in the music store nearby and tested a ton of pianos (even the CA-98 which does sound exactly the same as mine at home). But i don't want to derail the thread too much, so i'll post my impressions into a better fitting topic.


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I have more and more the impression that I ordered the wrong piano frown
I loved the Yamaha 675 //685 so much, the Sound and the cabinet.
The action was ok as well, I tried out all of them, and yes, I was Not sure about the Sound of the 98, if i like or not. I thought it was just me, because everyone here on the web and the Dealer prefered the Kawai... I thought that it will be possible to change the sound at home, that it MUST be the Best piano.. smirk

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that it MUST be the Best piano.. smirk

No such thing in the world of Audio, my friend.
It doesn't get any more subjective than human acoustic perception.


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Originally Posted by squidbot
Con:
- Though the new sound system was definitely more powerful and seemed to "come from the piano" (as opposed to the CA78 where it was obviously coming from speakers) it wasn't as clean as competitors and I could never get it to sound really good. The mid range was muddy and the bass weak, even spending a lot of time tweaking sound parameters. Headphone sound was clearly superior to the speakers.
- Pianist mode underwhelming, preferred the SK-EX sound.


This doesn't sound good for Kawai - and especially for Novus NV10 - which shares the same Pianist mode sound. I hope this can be improved via firmware update.

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Originally Posted by Tommy S
Any thoughts why in Pianist Mode I get rogue bell-like harmonics in the octave above middle C? Have tried changing resonance, individual key volume, etc. Little difference, they are still there.

The SK EK in Sound Mode is absolutely fine with no harmonics, as are all other Sound Mode models.

The pianist mode engine has aliquot resonance modeling, while the sound mode engine does not. Maybe that's what you hear (and why it isn't there in the sound mode SK-EX)?

I'm curious how it sounds and if I can hear it (I'm usually bad at this stuff - which can be an advantage, if you don't hear certain imperfections that others are bothered by grin). Could you post a comparison recording of the relevant notes in the two modes?

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Originally Posted by Osho
Originally Posted by squidbot
Con:
- Though the new sound system was definitely more powerful and seemed to "come from the piano" (as opposed to the CA78 where it was obviously coming from speakers) it wasn't as clean as competitors and I could never get it to sound really good. The mid range was muddy and the bass weak, even spending a lot of time tweaking sound parameters. Headphone sound was clearly superior to the speakers.
- Pianist mode underwhelming, preferred the SK-EX sound.


This doesn't sound good for Kawai - and especially for Novus NV10 - which shares the same Pianist mode sound. I hope this can be improved via firmware update.

Osho


Lets wait and see, as it is not clear, or if it is something that's more specific that can be heard through the cabinet that does not come across well versus headphones ? (I have yet to try one, I guess they must be in the shops near by now so I look forward to trying one out one of these days over Xmas ).

In any case, when I listen to the demos of pianist mode here

https://www.kawai.de/products/digitalpianos/caserie/ca98/

be it over monitors or headphones I get a pleasantly positive impression that kawai have actually made a step forward. In pianist mode it also it seems to me that some of that harshness seems to have gone in the upper registers that I never enjoyed in their previous models that I heard on the CA67.

Now, to me at least, the timbre sounds a bit more pleasing overall, and it just comes across as less overly dry, there is more resonance that sounds somewhat more alive, and an overall more enveloping sound that projects better with more convincing natural acoustics to it, that is, when I compare the new with the old, not in a massive way one might say, but a step up all the same.

Who knows, the proof will be in trying them out. On that point I agree with Ando's comment earlier in the thread. I am not gonna sit and worry about it based on a couple of initial subjective reports, no offence meant to the initial reviewers that posted some useful information all the same, so thanks for that, however, rogue harmonics is not exactly a revealing/clear term to me, it may very well be realistic and meant to be that way, or it may just be a characteristic some simply don't like, or worse case it was modelled badly, but I personally don't detect it in the demos in the above link, that doesn't mean someone else wont .. to me it sounds okay.


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Originally Posted by cocoherz
I thought that it will be possible to change the sound at home, that it MUST be the Best piano.. smirk


Try it out. Maybe it's the perfect one for you. smile


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