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Arturia V2 Piano #2697490
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This upgrade came out about a week ago. The original software was pretty bad in my opinion. The new software sounds very authentic IMO.

This is piano modeling software like Pianoteq, and I wanted to ask some Pianoteq haters to play around with the free demo (which lets you play all the notes for 20 minutes) and express what you think.

I really like the sound of the Japanese Init (I don't know what Init means), and I don't know what Japanese piano it's modeled after, but it has a really great bass, you can almost feel the felt of the hammers, and it has great overtones. The treble is a bit brash.

The only problems I see with this software is that it has crashed on some people including me when I was scrolling around the presets. Once when I opened it, it consigned my sustain pedal to pitch bend, even after I closed the software and restarted it. I had to find the pedal configuration panel which was hard to find and fix it. It's more CPU heavy than Pianoteq. If Arturia fixes some of the glitches which I assume they will, I might be interested next year as it's only $99. I assume this sale price would be extended next Xmas.

On some other forums I was kind of dismissive of the software because of the glitches, but even though I don't like the Interface that much, I think it's good software. Here's the URL: https://www.arturia.com/products/analog-classics/piano-v/overview


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Re: Arturia V2 Piano [Re: Beakybird] #2697508
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This has already been hated about in another thread but couldn’t even bother to search smile


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Re: Arturia V2 Piano [Re: CyberGene] #2697509
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
This has already been hated about in another thread but couldn’t even bother to search smile

I think that was the previous version. I don't think there have been reviews on Pianoworld of the latest version.


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Oh. I found the thread.


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Re: Arturia V2 Piano [Re: Beakybird] #2697529
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Yep, I also found it again and it was strong to say it was hated. Some people liked it and others hated it for the rather stupid bugs. I’ll give it a try.


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Re: Arturia V2 Piano [Re: Beakybird] #2697598
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Thank you, Beakybird.
Never heard about it, to my shame.
First impression is - WOW!
Sounds great!


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Re: Arturia V2 Piano [Re: Beakybird] #2697625
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It has potential.

Re: Arturia V2 Piano [Re: Beakybird] #2697641
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Certainly it has. But also it is very underrated.

I'm afraid that Arturia Piano V2 now becomes number one candidate to consider for me. smile


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Re: Arturia V2 Piano [Re: Beakybird] #2697658
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Just heard the demos. Immediately noticed the typical nasty synthetic sustain that has plagued Pianoteq since the very beginning. And this is at least two generations behind Pianoteq.

Not for me.


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Re: Arturia V2 Piano [Re: CyberGene] #2697771
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Just heard the demos. Immediately noticed the typical nasty synthetic sustain that has plagued Pianoteq since the very beginning. And this is at least two generations behind Pianoteq.

Not for me.

Nasty sustain? I didn't listen to the demo. I just played keyboard with it, and I think you're way off base. Different strokes for different folks.


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Re: Arturia V2 Piano [Re: Beakybird] #2697789
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Do you mean the nasty sustain magically disappears only when playing the piano?


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Re: Arturia V2 Piano [Re: Beakybird] #2697799
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I think demos on Youtube and even on official page are related to Piano V, NOT Piano V2.

Demo version of Piano V2 available HERE


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Re: Arturia V2 Piano [Re: Beakybird] #2697868
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Actually it's not bad, but I couldn't find the time to test it enough. At least using the presets, it seems inferior to Pianoteq, but not bad. I will test it more thoroughly in the next month or so.

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Owning both PT6 and the V2 Piano , I'll have to say that the V2 improves enormously on the V1 version. It's almost night and day. There are some pretty useful presets to be found if you skipp the preset mistakes that are also plenty around. Some presets have very bad bass registers (very artificial) where others are actually not bad at all. Sometimes you have to tune back the effects a little (don't like a lot of reverb) and all-in-all the bass seems a little softer than the higher registers, but that is something that can easily be fine-tuned in the programming and settings. The underlying engine however seems to be capable of generating a very good piano sound. It is like in V1 the rendering engine was broken - ALL sounds we're terrible , especially when compared to any other SW piano or specifically PianoTeq. With V2 it is much better, but you may need some more balancing and finetuning of the preset programming. Finetuning the sound is much easier than reprogramming the complete sound engine by the programmers, so I have good hopes and it is in V2 already pretty fun playing on several presets.

Best thing is - we have no two modeling engines to choose from - PT and Arturia - which is good for competitions and faster development - and two different approaches always yield a bit different sound character , which is also good . If PT doesn't do the job for a certain piece or player, Arturia might in that case and vice versa. So I would say Gove it a try and don't be shy to ignore all the V2 presets that are misses and concentrate on the good ones and finetune them to your taste. You may be surprised.

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Originally Posted by JFP
Owning both PT6 and the V2 Piano , I'll have to say that the V2 improves enormously on the V1 version. It's almost night and day. There are some pretty useful presets to be found if you skipp the preset mistakes that are also plenty around. Some presets have very bad bass registers (very artificial) where others are actually not bad at all. Sometimes you have to tune back the effects a little (don't like a lot of reverb) and all-in-all the bass seems a little softer than the higher registers, but that is something that can easily be fine-tuned in the programming and settings. The underlying engine however seems to be capable of generating a very good piano sound. It is like in V1 the rendering engine was broken - ALL sounds we're terrible , especially when compared to any other SW piano or specifically PianoTeq. With V2 it is much better, but you may need some more balancing and finetuning of the preset programming. Finetuning the sound is much easier than reprogramming the complete sound engine by the programmers, so I have good hopes and it is in V2 already pretty fun playing on several presets.

Best thing is - we have no two modeling engines to choose from - PT and Arturia - which is good for competitions and faster development - and two different approaches always yield a bit different sound character , which is also good . If PT doesn't do the job for a certain piece or player, Arturia might in that case and vice versa. So I would say Gove it a try and don't be shy to ignore all the V2 presets that are misses and concentrate on the good ones and finetune them to your taste. You may be surprised.


I agree that there are some great presets in there including some of the experimental sounds. I like the tack piano even though some fight find it a bit tacky.

This is on my to buy list. Many of the grand piano presets sound less synthy than Pianoteq with the caveat that they are a bit subdued.
In Pianoteq, I used the Fat Bass on the Model B, and I can get a little bit of that Arturia sound and still keep the brightness of Pianoteq.

I think that this is a great achievement by Arturia overall. Also, the developers fixed some of the glitches that caused crashes in their latest update.

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Re: Arturia V2 Piano [Re: Beakybird] #2699480
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Without exaggeration, in the virtual piano instruments, this is the main achievement of recent years. Bravo Arturia! Great job!
But actually is not surprise: If you will take into consideration Arturia's potential, experience and possibilities - that is not unexpectable.


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Re: Arturia V2 Piano [Re: Beakybird] #2699496
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OK, you made me download it and test it myself. I have to take my words back. Apparently I've listened to V1 demos on YouTube which were horrid.

V2 is fully on par with the latest version of Pianoteq. And that's a big praise for just the second version of a modeled piano compared to the sixth version of the de facto standard of modeled pianos: Pianoteq.

Now, take in mind I am sample-based guy and I just don't find modeled pianos appealing to my ears for more than 5 minutes worth of playing. With that in mind though, I was able to kind of enjoy playing it for like 10 minutes without getting too bored. I would go as far as to say Arturia V2 is actually a bit better in that respect to Pianoteq 6 which starts annoying me a bit earlier than that.

From the three main models I seemed to like the American and the German. The Japanese wasn't my cup of tea and all other uprights and odd piano models were rubbish.

A bit of reverb kind of helps, but at the same time makes it even mushier so that's something that is lacking. As with Pianoteq, I have the feeling of a piano sound that is one-dimensional, kind of like coming from a single point in space and then being stereo-enriched through some DSP but not entirely convincing. There's also a perceived lack of definition/clarity. After my session with V2 I switched to CFX Lite and what a relief - I was hearing a real piano, clear, bright, multi-dimensional, well... just real smile But once again, take my words with a grain of salt.

In summary, I am glad we have one more strong contender on the modeled scene. As another member said on another thread, they are gonna crack it someday and make it all great. The more companies trying that, the better smile And I am awaiting that day when I will finally ditch those huge libraries with their inherent problems such as recording noise, so-so resonances and barely working half-pedaling.

Merry Christmas!

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As i said in another thread, i quite like this one. The init presets tend to sound the best out of the box but as mentioned above, as soon as i fired up a top tier sampled piano right after it (Ravenscroft in my case or CFX), I noticed the difference.

I like what Arturia does and I've always admired their entire V collection. Big fan of the other synths that comes with the package (The Solina strings machine is my favorite).

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Your opinion is very important. Thank you for giving an unbiased short review.
Madness of the brave we sing a song! smile It is very HARD to swim against the current. Piano V2 - is at least at same level as Pianoteq 6. smile

Yes, Pianoteq got very strong competitor! Arturia is much stronger than Modart.
Good luck Modart! Hope you have something to stay in the game.

As for me, I'm so predictable: Best piano VSTI is Galaxy Vintage D. smile Arturia Piano V2 and AcousticSamples - C7 Grand - are next to it.


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Yes, Arturia - V Collection is just amazing!


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