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Minimizing keyboard sound through a floor #2695262
12/08/17 02:05 AM
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I'm looking for any suggestions for minimizing keyboard sound through a floor. I have a Kawai ES110, which as many have noted here, has fairly noisy keys, especially on the rebound. I've recently moved the piano upstairs to my office. My wife is now complaining that it sounds like I'm "shooting a machine gun" when I playing and it is intolerable to be in the room beneath the piano. I have the instrument on a metal QickLok M91 stand. We have hardwood floors if that matters. Any suggestions on how I could muffle the sound of the keyboard from the floor below? I haven't invested in anything to put under it yet, I thought I'd ask for some ideas first before spending good money after bad smile

(I'm not quite brave enough, handy enough nor willing to lose my warranty enough to do the extra padding mentioned in the "modding the rebound" thread, as spiffy as that is!)


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Re: Minimizing keyboard sound through a floor [Re: squidbot] #2695264
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Check out "sorbothane vibration dampers". Four of those, under the feet of the stand (or between the stand and the DP) should do the job.

There have been several threads about this. In an extreme case, you can build an effective vibration-damping platform using plywood and tennis balls. Instructions for that are on YouTube.


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Re: Minimizing keyboard sound through a floor [Re: squidbot] #2695276
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+1 on sorbothane. The es110 is extremely light so you probably need a different variant from what is in that thread, but it would seem to me the most promising way to reduce vibration noise.


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Re: Minimizing keyboard sound through a floor [Re: squidbot] #2695292
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As Charles Cohen said, a solution to this uses boards, tennis balls, carpeting and underlay. This is what I ended up having to do for my piano. Here is one of them: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkg-95wSiaY


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Re: Minimizing keyboard sound through a floor [Re: squidbot] #2695366
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Thanks everyone! The tennis ball solution seems like a good easy cheap thing to try and I actually have the stuff at home. The sorbothane is interesting as well as it's a little simpler if I can't get motivated to build the platform smile

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Re: Minimizing keyboard sound through a floor [Re: squidbot] #2695573
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Not to be "that guy" - but wouldn't just a carpet pad and an area rug go a long way to minimizing this problem? wink


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Re: Minimizing keyboard sound through a floor [Re: squidbot] #2695577
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That's the first thing people try and it's an intuitive idea, but it never really works. Imo the sorbothane pads are a much easier and more effective solution than building a custom tennis ball platform.


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The problem with the tennis ball thing is that you really need a large area of board (x2 of course) and so a lot of balls and covering carpeting to make a space for a piano and a bench and some border room round the side. It's a bit of a job. But if you have the materials available at home it's worth a try.


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Re: Minimizing keyboard sound through a floor [Re: Gombessa] #2695583
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
That's the first thing people try and it's an intuitive idea, but it never really works. Imo the sorbothane pads are a much easier and more effective solution than building a custom tennis ball platform.


Right - it isn't going to get rid of the sound 100% - but it would go a long way to minimizing it to a level that his wife could maybe tolerate...?

Right now he is on a hardwood floor - that would annoy anyone.

And yeah - if the sound still is unacceptable to his wife - the sorbothane pads should do the trick.

Plus the carpet pad and area rug would make the area look and feel a bit nicer.

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Sorry, I wrote of the tennis ball thing, but I what I was talking about was placing some heavy carpet/rug down instead. It does help a little on hardwood fllors, but for vibration noise through building structures, floor covering solutions alone rarely solve the problem, unless you go with multiple layers of foam mats and underlay (getting close to the whole tennis ball platform).

If you want to go that route, you certainly can. But thick sorbothane pads/pods are purpose-made for this, and represent a much smaller cost, effort and space outlay, and they actually approach 100% damping when done right, rather than an minor incremental improvement, so they're worth looking into.

For OP, here's the sorbothane thread: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2688575/1.html.

Edit: It's not a floor covering, so there are zero aesthetic consideration to using them.


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Re: Minimizing keyboard sound through a floor [Re: squidbot] #2696170
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Thanks all, I found that thread and it was insightful, don't know how I missed it when it was active. I just ordered these to try. As mentioned the first thing I tried was a small area rug, but it didn't really make any difference.

Thanks again for all the quick great advice!


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