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#2695958 - 8 hours ago Undesired side effect of great VSTs  
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Just sharing some thoughts, without any real question or objective of the discussion:

We often hear great things about various high quality VSTs in this forum (Garritan CFX, Pianoteq 6 and others..), but there is an undesired side effect for those who are used to these really good VST sound with a high quality headphone.

Getting impatient with Novus NV10 or AvantGrand N2X not being available, I started shopping around for used grand acoustic pianos. I played several of them in dealer shops and in private homes - ranging in price from $10k to $60k). I even got to play on a brand new Steinway D on the small concert stage in the dealer's shop

I noticed all kinds of issues in the sounds of these used grand acoustic pianos:
  • Poor tuning - especially in private homes.
  • Notes jumping out in a scale and uneven tone across scales (even in dealer-prepped used pianos)
  • Uninspiring bass sound in anything less than 6' (compared to the quality VSTs mentioned above)
  • Treble is not a pleasant, singing tone but a little harsh in some pianos - especially in pianos older than 20-30 years.

Of course the action was better than CA-67 that I own. I felt resonance was better than VSTs - but only marginally. And the top-end pianos like the brand new Steinway D on concert stage had none of these problems. But even used acoustic pianos costing $40000 had some of these issues.

It was a relief to come back home and play CA-67 + VST + headphone.

Now, the undesired side effect of the VSTs: I have to go to at least 6.5'+ grand acoustic piano to get acceptable bass and that (even for used) just increases the budget significantly. smile smile

And, on a positive note, it increased my patience for NV10/N2X smile

Osho

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#2695965 - 7 hours ago Re: Undesired side effect of great VSTs [Re: Osho]  
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Why not get a nice sounding acoustic and augment the bass with an amplifier and microphone? I've nit come across many of the other shortfalls you mention except the out of tune bit. Which i quite like anyway . . .


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#2696041 - 3 minutes ago Re: Undesired side effect of great VSTs [Re: Osho]  
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Originally Posted by Osho
Just sharing some thoughts, without any real question or objective of the discussion:

I noticed all kinds of issues in the sounds of these used grand acoustic pianos:
  • Poor tuning - especially in private homes.
  • Notes jumping out in a scale and uneven tone across scales (even in dealer-prepped used pianos)
  • Uninspiring bass sound in anything less than 6' (compared to the quality VSTs mentioned above)
  • Treble is not a pleasant, singing tone but a little harsh in some pianos - especially in pianos older than 20-30 years.

Of course the action was better than CA-67 that I own. I felt resonance was better than VSTs - but only marginally. And the top-end pianos like the brand new Steinway D on concert stage had none of these problems. But even used acoustic pianos costing $40000 had some of these issues.

It was a relief to come back home and play CA-67 + VST + headphone.

Now, the undesired side effect of the VSTs: I have to go to at least 6.5'+ grand acoustic piano to get acceptable bass and that (even for used) just increases the budget significantly. smile smile

And, on a positive note, it increased my patience for NV10/N2X smile

Osho


Digital pianos as we all know is a simulation of acoustic piano. As such, people want all the best from acoustic in that digital piano. Piano makers give their best to bring new better samples in every generation so we used to play and listen more better and clear sound with lots of settings, choices, no tuning problems and then we play acoustic piano and reality strikes back. In a front of you is a real and complex instrument that need a maintenance to perform well, with no perfect tuning, lots of resonance and harder to control. This is what I like in acoustic piano. Sound from nature, raw from steel and wood with classic sound on which legendary composers make their music for eternity. Fighting with piano to work well, mastering to play well, learning to tune and repair by yourself. All that things together make acoustic piano a real beast you want to ride on. Something valuable to live for.

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