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#2695169 - 12/07/17 05:45 PM How much progress after doing all Inventions & Sinfonias?  
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My teacher wants to do all (Or at least most) Inventions & Sinfonias with me. Which I think is a good idea, since I've learned a lot from just one, plus I enjoy playing them.

I wonder though. Has anyone done this? What was your feeling of progress after doing them all?

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#2695176 - 12/07/17 06:07 PM Re: How much progress after doing all Inventions & Sinfonias? [Re: hyena]  
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Too many pieces, too little time. You are doing pieces from the other periods, right? There is a lot of music out there to explore. Even within the baroque period, there is more than just the inventions. I only did two inventions, then moved on.

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Originally Posted by Sam S
Too many pieces, too little time. You are doing pieces from the other periods, right? There is a lot of music out there to explore. Even within the baroque period, there is more than just the inventions. I only did two inventions, then moved on.

Sam


Yeah, we're also doing other pieces at the same time. At the moment I'm also doing a Haydn sonata and a Heller etude (Heller is the same era as Chopin), also done some Debussy. Why too little time though? I'm 23, so I still (Hopefully) have 60+ years left.

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#2695181 - 12/07/17 06:45 PM Re: How much progress after doing all Inventions & Sinfonias? [Re: hyena]  
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If you like all the Inventions, why not?

But why not have a look at other Bach as well? Like the Partita No.1, BWV 825, which contains other challenges.


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#2695182 - 12/07/17 06:54 PM Re: How much progress after doing all Inventions & Sinfonias? [Re: hyena]  
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Originally Posted by hyena
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Too many pieces, too little time. You are doing pieces from the other periods, right? There is a lot of music out there to explore. Even within the baroque period, there is more than just the inventions. I only did two inventions, then moved on.

Sam


Yeah, we're also doing other pieces at the same time. At the moment I'm also doing a Haydn sonata and a Heller etude (Heller is the same era as Chopin), also done some Debussy. Why too little time though? I'm 23, so I still (Hopefully) have 60+ years left.


23 ?

I would suggest you do as your instructor has asked you to do.

You have time to be a very fine pianist.

Good Luck


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#2695290 - 12/08/17 05:49 AM Re: How much progress after doing all Inventions & Sinfonias? [Re: hyena]  
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Originally Posted by hyena
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Too many pieces, too little time. You are doing pieces from the other periods, right? There is a lot of music out there to explore. Even within the baroque period, there is more than just the inventions. I only did two inventions, then moved on.

Sam


Yeah, we're also doing other pieces at the same time. At the moment I'm also doing a Haydn sonata and a Heller etude (Heller is the same era as Chopin), also done some Debussy. Why too little time though? I'm 23, so I still (Hopefully) have 60+ years left.


I'm 64, so you can see my viewpoint I hope. Regardless of your age, in my opinion the time it would take to learn all the inventions would be better spent (if we are sticking to Baroque) on a prelude and fugue. Or one of Bach's dance suites. Or a pair of Scarlatti sonatas. In other words, widen your experience and expose yourself to as much music as possible.

Plus, when you get beyond the most popular inventions (which are popular for a reason - C, F, Bb, E and so forth), they tend to be just more of the same but not as rewarding to play.

Just the opinion of an old guy, of course. With the 60+ years of playing you have left(?) I'm sure you can do whatever you want...

Sam

#2695299 - 12/08/17 07:31 AM Re: How much progress after doing all Inventions & Sinfonias? [Re: hyena]  
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Yeah, I understand. I'll see what my teacher does, probably not all them then, but still quite some.

I think there are several reason she choose them. For one, I'm not a great reader, I memorize easy. Since Bach is hard to memorize, it will force me to read. I don't play even. And when I play with two hands, they don't always exactly play together.

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I love almost everything Bach! It was my goal to do all of the inventions and sinphonia but about midway through we moved on to preludes and fugues (well tempered clavier). My teacher also had me get a book of the French suites but I haven’t touched it yet. There is so much to learn from Bach and the reward is huge, because it’s so hard. But you feel so amazing when you can do it. I’m nearly 60 and I don’t feel like I’m spending my time poorly. If you like Bach, go for it and see what happens!

#2695378 - 12/08/17 01:48 PM Re: How much progress after doing all Inventions & Sinfonias? [Re: hyena]  
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Originally Posted by hyena
My teacher wants to do all (Or at least most) Inventions & Sinfonias with me. Which I think is a good idea, since I've learned a lot from just one, plus I enjoy playing them.

I wonder though. Has anyone done this? What was your feeling of progress after doing them all?


I've been working through all the inventions (at number 10 now). Hard to gauge progress but I would qualify it as transformative. I think they are a challenge to play well no matter what level you're at. And those long trills ....

Highly recommend and good luck!


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#2695385 - 12/08/17 02:30 PM Re: How much progress after doing all Inventions & Sinfonias? [Re: hyena]  
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I do know they are great pieces for pianists. As for doing all of them, it depends on what you are expecting from it. Are you going to get them all memorized and perfected for say a concert? That will take a lot of time as others have mentioned. In general most pianists learn a piece up to like 80% and then move on and only perfect a few selected pieces. If you are going for the general feel of baroque playing or for specific development of technique then there are many other pieces to take a look at. I would ask your teacher why they want to do all of them with you?

Personally, I would get bored and have come to realize I will never get to all the music I may want to learn. I would choose carefully which ones I do learn and make sure I really love them. I'm sure you can get similar progress with a more varied approach. Although I don't have issues if others feel that going in a specific sequence or doing everything in a particular set of music helps them progress as well. Others experience things differently and have different needs.

#2695998 - Yesterday at 05:40 AM Re: How much progress after doing all Inventions & Sinfonias? [Re: hyena]  
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Well, I've read Bach said this:

"Honest method, by which the amateurs of the keyboard – especially, however, those desirous of learning – are shown a clear way not only to learn to play cleanly in two parts, but also, after further progress, to handle three obligate parts correctly and well; and along with this not only to obtain good inventions (ideas) but to develop the same well; above all, however, to achieve a cantabile style in playing and at the same time acquire a strong foretaste of composition."

So that's what I'm hoping to learn.

#2696007 - Yesterday at 06:35 AM Re: How much progress after doing all Inventions & Sinfonias? [Re: hyena]  
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I was fascinated too by that Bach title, and it is true of course, BUT it is true in that particular style (2-3 voices contrapuntal), so if you are really focused on baroque/bach style, yes.
Of course everyone can technically benefit from them.
Usually I tend to do whatever I like, better if it stretches my technique, so if you like do it... after learning many maybe you'll change mind yourself and go to other Bach works.

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#2696428 - 5 hours ago Re: How much progress after doing all Inventions & Sinfonias? [Re: hyena]  
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I'm very fond of the inventions and sinfonias and play several of them myself. However I decided to make a selection (3 inventions and 5 sinfonias) rather than playing them all. In addition I play one of the partitas, one French suite, the Fantasia and fugue in a-minor and one prelude and fuga from the WTC. This is sufficient I think, even for a Bach lover.


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