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Re: In need of advice / Kawai ES8 & CN37 [Re: wolflone249] #2691338
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I got the CN35 almost a year ago and love it - the Mellow Piano sound with cathedral reverb is lush, that's what sold me over the other brands. It's in my lounge so didn't want a stage piano, speakers, wires, laptop etc. Might try a VST or pianoteq in the future but with the Kawai I can sit down and two seconds later it's ready to play, and my current laptop probably wouldn't run them anyway. :p

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Re: In need of advice / Kawai ES8 & CN37 [Re: Granyala] #2694515
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do you plan to use the VST only through headphones, or external monitors?

IF you plan to use external monitors I'd recommend getting CN37, and not the vst , because external piano speakers don't make me feel connected to the instrument in a studio/home setting, as much as internal speakers

I had a cp33 with studio monitors, I ended up selling it to get a board with internal speakers (p155), though only 12 w X 2 , the p155 was more enjoyable, than studio monitors.


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Re: In need of advice / Kawai ES8 & CN37 [Re: wolflone249] #2694523
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Yes, routing audio from my PC into the DP when using VSTs was the plan.
While I know that studio monitors can be better, I have no interest to fiddle with optimal placement, nor do I have the space flexibility to do so.

CN37 should be a compact and still nice looking package that has all I need for the next few years.


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Re: In need of advice / Kawai ES8 & CN37 [Re: Granyala] #2694531
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studio monitors are NOT better for piano playing, internal piano speakers is better experience for the player.


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Re: In need of advice / Kawai ES8 & CN37 [Re: Jitin] #2694538
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Originally Posted by Jitin
studio monitors are NOT better for piano playing, internal piano speakers is better experience for the player.

That depends on the quality of the speakers, both built in and monitor and obviously, personal taste.

While it would be pretty hard and expensive to outperform the LX-17s speaker system or a CA-98's soundboard, a good pair of monitors will squash the 2x 15W downward mounted speakers of the e.g.: HP601. Not just in terms of watts but in terms of frequency response and clarity.


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Re: In need of advice / Kawai ES8 & CN37 [Re: wolflone249] #2694546
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Originally Posted by Jitin
studio monitors are NOT better for piano playing, internal piano speakers is better experience for the player.


You make it sound like a hard fact, but to each their own, I feel the other way round mostly, but in the end it is for each and every person to decide for themselves. While the higher consoles do a decent job in some respects. I personally find the speaker cabinets problematic out of all the ones I tried in shops, they always sound boxed in, bass boom issues too, and cannot project spatial imaging at all well, not surprising when you consider the comprises they make for a speaker to work optimally to project well, you wouldn't configure them that way as they are in many consoles in an almost sealed box and just leave a tiny gap for the sound to come out.

The LX17 was one exception with lid open I noticed, but something like a kawai Ca67 ( though it has some upfiring speakers ), but lets say middle of the road model cost wise ( I never tried one with a soundboard like the CA97/98 so can't comment) but I wouldn't swap it in the world with a decent monitor setup coupled with VST. Something like an hp 603 with a 2x2 speaker just firing down underneath only, I didn't like it one bit, no presence or spaciousness to the sound at all, like putting your radio under a rug or something like that.

Sure while monitor don't project like the real thing, with a good setup, appropriate panning and imaging you get from them, I can feel the sound coming at me in a direct unobstructed manner, as if the lid were open properly, I prefer this feeling.


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Re: In need of advice / Kawai ES8 & CN37 [Re: Granyala] #2694578
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Originally Posted by Granyala
Yes, routing audio from my PC into the DP when using VSTs was the plan.
While I know that studio monitors can be better, I have no interest to fiddle with optimal placement, nor do I have the space flexibility to do so.

CN37 should be a compact and still nice looking package that has all I need for the next few years.


Good For You !!!

Keep it neat and simple and spend more time playing instead of fooling with accessories and such.


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Re: In need of advice / Kawai ES8 & CN37 [Re: wolflone249] #2695102
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Slightly off topic:
I managed to test out an RH3 and a GF2 piano today.

Man, I really should not have tried the CA-78. >.<

I understand now what people mean when they talk about "bouncyness" and noise of the RH3. The keys bounce quite a bit and they are noticeably loud when they bounce back UP unter their own weight, where GF2 was dead silent.

I didn't expect the difference in feel to be that harsh. They get the CA48 in the end of December/Beginning of January, so I'll definitely check that one out.
Having felt RH3 and GF2, I am in a pretty mean dilemma now, because GF2 felt so much nicer. smirk

Maybe GF-C will come to the rescue and I simply go "screw extras and connectivity"....
Kawai, you definitely do not make the decision between CN-37 and CA-48 easy!

PS: Piano salesmen are damn scary. They talk you to death and try very hard to pressure you into buying stuff waaay past your budget. Dude kept drooling over a Casio GP500 sth.... yah advertise a piano in the 4K range when I am talking about a sub 2K budget. That makes sense. laugh

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Re: In need of advice / Kawai ES8 & CN37 [Re: wolflone249] #2698176
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A small update from me, because I promised a comparison between HI-XL and PHI:
Spent 2hrs in a shop today and played both ES8 and CN37.

The ES 8 sounds gentler and more alive compared to the CN37. There is a distinct difference between PHI and HI-XL, contrary to my initial speculations, even an untrained ear can hear the difference immediately.

Both me and my mother, who was kind enough to endure the 2hrs so I got the luxury of another pair of ears, preferred the ES8 from the first key press on.
We tried both, speakers and headphones on both models.

If anyone is in the market: definitely compare HI-XL to PHI. There is a difference, only you can decide which one you like more.

For me: the CN37 didn't make the race. ES-8 sounds more pleasing to my ears and, seeing it in person made me realize that it is quite a bit smaller, a perk, considering my super tiny one room apartment.


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Re: In need of advice / Kawai ES8 & CN37 [Re: wolflone249] #2698501
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In the U.S. of A. AZ Piano Reviews can give you a good price on a ES8 with pedals and stand.

AZ Piano review of Kawai ES8


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Re: In need of advice / Kawai ES8 & CN37 [Re: wolflone249] #2698505
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Thanks, but I am located in Germany.

I'm gunning for an MP7SE now, which has the same sounds and action b/c it has more to toy with in addition to piano. laugh

Unless that conference in January reveals new models within my budget range. *chuckles*


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Re: In need of advice / Kawai ES8 & CN37 [Re: wolflone249] #2698509
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If you go with the ES8, I would caution you AGAINST the 3-pedal option you have for it.

I (and others) have found that that unit puts the pedals too close to the person playing the piano.

It makes it uncomfortable to keep your foot relaxed when not using the pedal.

I would just utilize the pedal that comes with the ES8 (no extra charge).

Get the furniture stand, of course.

Good Luck to you


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