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Re: Digital piano and monitor placement [Re: David B] #2750986
07/12/18 01:58 PM
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Dough M, David, in an experiment to further improve the sound of my Kawai Novus 10 (more body, more roominess), I added a cabinet with amplifier and two speakers (eacht with woofer + dome tweeter) facing up to a piano lid, and two additional column speakers angled 45 degree next to the piano. The improvement is very nice, sitting behind the piano as well as in the room. Pictures of my efforts are in the forums photo gallery:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/galleries/2747355.html.

Ralph

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Ralph plays Kawai Novus with additional Pianoteq 6, Yvory II, Vienna Imperial, Ravenscroft, Garritan CFX, Bechstein, Acousticpianos, and many other VSTs. Previously owned Clavinova 585, Roland, Yamaha DPs
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Re: Digital piano and monitor placement [Re: David B] #2751015
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What kind of speakers are you using?

Re: Digital piano and monitor placement [Re: David B] #2751048
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Speakers are Mission M70 facing upwards in the cabinet behind the piano, Elipson Colonne Duson standing next to the piano, the amplifier is an Onkyo 9030 (the Novus has also Onkyo equipment on board). The Novus itself has 1 woofer in the foot, 4 midrange speakers on top and two dome tweeters. Together this is a really nice arrangement. By the way: the Kawai Novus 10, having the Milennium III Grand Action, is to my opinion the best digital grand available at this moment, only soundwise it could do with some upgrading to keep up with Yamaha's AvandGrand N3. I've done the job myself and am very happy with the result. As you may see from the pictures, it also looks more like an acoustic grand. The Shigeru Kawai samples are great and can compete with the best of the VST's like Yvory II collection, Garritan CFX, Bechstein Digital, Ravenscroft 275 (I have them all, together with many other nice samples, that is the great advantage of playing a premium quality digital piano). The Pianoteq 6 collecion (including the historical pianofortes and the new Steingraeber) is a separate chapter of course, and a perfect match to the Novus 10.

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Ralph plays Kawai Novus with additional Pianoteq 6, Yvory II, Vienna Imperial, Ravenscroft, Garritan CFX, Bechstein, Acousticpianos, and many other VSTs. Previously owned Clavinova 585, Roland, Yamaha DPs
Re: Digital piano and monitor placement [Re: RalphK] #2751145
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Originally Posted by RalphK
Speakers are Mission M70 facing upwards in the cabinet behind the piano, Elipson Colonne Duson standing next to the piano, the amplifier is an Onkyo 9030 (the Novus has also Onkyo equipment on board). The Novus itself has 1 woofer in the foot, 4 midrange speakers on top and two dome tweeters. Together this is a really nice arrangement. By the way: the Kawai Novus 10, having the Milennium III Grand Action, is to my opinion the best digital grand available at this moment, only soundwise it could do with some upgrading to keep up with Yamaha's AvandGrand N3. I've done the job myself and am very happy with the result. As you may see from the pictures, it also looks more like an acoustic grand. The Shigeru Kawai samples are great and can compete with the best of the VST's like Yvory II collection, Garritan CFX, Bechstein Digital, Ravenscroft 275 (I have them all, together with many other nice samples, that is the great advantage of playing a premium quality digital piano). The Pianoteq 6 collecion (including the historical pianofortes and the new Steingraeber) is a separate chapter of course, and a perfect match to the Novus 10.


Very nice job!

So what you've got there (apart from upward facing Mission M70's facing the ceiling at the back) is two forward facing towers. Presumably these Elipson's are more for mids/highs and the Missions just adding a bit of grunt? Do you set the balance lob-sided i.e., more power to the missions or to the Elipson? How about Eq settings?


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Re: Digital piano and monitor placement [Re: David B] #2751267
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High Dough M, the two extra sets of speakers can not be balanced (the amplifier has only left-right balance not front-rear or the like), but they can be switched on separately (either behind the piano or next to the piano) or jointly. The latter gives the best result. If tone settings are neutral/direct, so no equalizing, this gives the clearest sound. The real balancing job is between the Original Kawai Novus 1+2+4 speakers (which add more presence) and the 2x2 extra speakers (which add more depth and roominess, but to much makes you feel somewhat detached from the piano). It's all quite subtle, but overall I'm very satisfied with the sound as well as with the looks.


Ralph plays Kawai Novus with additional Pianoteq 6, Yvory II, Vienna Imperial, Ravenscroft, Garritan CFX, Bechstein, Acousticpianos, and many other VSTs. Previously owned Clavinova 585, Roland, Yamaha DPs
Re: Digital piano and monitor placement [Re: jef_citron] #2751815
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Originally Posted by jef_citron
You can see some tests with monitors's placement :


Average :
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Good, but I feel that the sound is from speakers
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Rather good (for me...)
The sound feels rather natural
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More simple
I don't feel the sound is going from speakers
It's rather natural
It's my favorite placement (actually...)
In addition, the concrete wall makes an echo wich increases the depht of the sound
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I must modify my post
The best placement I find :

A very wide sound, very natural
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The disadvantage is that it takes a lot of space !


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