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#2691683 - 6 hours ago NI Production Grand 2 LE  
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All I need to do is to download their Kontakt 5 free player?


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#2691692 - 6 hours ago Re: NI Production Grand 2 LE [Re: TonyDIGITAL]  
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Production Grand 2 is made by a company named Production Voices, not Native Instruments (NI) though it uses Kontakt 5 from NI. I assume you're talking about this.

https://www.productionvoices.com/product/production-grand-2-le/

To answer your question, it requires Kontakt 5. You can play the Production Grand 2 LE in the free player, but only for 15 minutes at at time. If you want to play longer, you'll have to restart Kontakt Player, and load the library again.

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#2691695 - 6 hours ago Re: NI Production Grand 2 LE [Re: TonyDIGITAL]  
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Thanks for the info.
Does that mean that if I need to use the stand alone player (NI Kontakt 5) and need to play longer than 15min I need to purchase the full version?
I am using DAW (Ableton Live) so I guess NI Kontakt Full won't be necessary


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#2691700 - 5 hours ago Re: NI Production Grand 2 LE [Re: TonyDIGITAL]  
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It will time out, doesn't matter whether you're using the Kontakt 5 Player as stand-alone or within a DAW, as a plug-in. In fact, just before I replied to your original post, I was playing a MIDI file in Reaper, with Production Grand 2 Gold, and it timed out on me, in the middle of the song.

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#2691764 - 1 hour ago Re: NI Production Grand 2 LE [Re: TonyDIGITAL]  
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I don't understand why this limit of 15min is there. Is anything running in demo mode causing that? If it's not, it's complete no-no


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#2691770 - 50 minutes ago Re: NI Production Grand 2 LE [Re: TonyDIGITAL]  
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Hello Tony,

Originally Posted by TonyDIGITAL

I am using DAW (Ableton Live) so I guess NI Kontakt Full won't be necessary

Just DAW is not enough, you need sequencer to be used by that DAW. In case of Production Grand 2 LE required sequencer is Kontakt
Originally Posted by TonyDIGITAL

I don't understand why this limit of 15min is there. Is anything running in demo mode causing that? If it's not, it's complete no-no

This is limitation of "Kontakt Player" sequencer, which will be removed if you had full Kontakt, in companion with Production Grand 2 LE. Yes you can think of "Kontakt Player" as a demo version of full Kontakt, although this is not exactly the case because some other virtual instruments (like Galaxy Vintage D which I have, and there are many others) are made compatible with K Player not requiring Full K. I have read somewhere that companies that produce virtual instruments compatible with Kontakt Player (i.e. fully compatible without any limitations) are paying fee to Native Instruments - producer of Kontakt engine. So NI gets its money either from instrument producer in form of fee paid for making some instruments compatible with Player or from you if form of Full Kontaks's price smile

And just in case you didn't mention it: if you want fully functional Production Grand instrument and cannot (or don't want to) pay for full Kontakt you can opt for Production Grand Compact, which is made for free sforzando sequencer and later upgrade to LE

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#2691773 - 41 minutes ago Re: NI Production Grand 2 LE [Re: TonyDIGITAL]  
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Originally Posted by TonyDIGITAL
Thanks for the info.
Does that mean that if I need to use the stand alone player (NI Kontakt 5) and need to play longer than 15min I need to purchase the full version?

And btw no, you are not limited to stand alone usage of Kontakt, be it Player or Full. Both can be loaded as plug-ins into your Ableton Live


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#2691785 - 11 minutes ago Re: NI Production Grand 2 LE [Re: TonyDIGITAL]  
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#2691786 - 7 minutes ago Re: NI Production Grand 2 LE [Re: newer player]  
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Yes, anyone who is trying to make money is very confusing... Why not just to play piano and let us also do so... For free...


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#2691787 - 2 minutes ago Re: NI Production Grand 2 LE [Re: TonyDIGITAL]  
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Excuse me butting in here but I wanted to say that,

1. Kontakt is not really a sequencer. It's originally a sampler which you can put your own samples onto or (like almost everyone) use their own sample sets such as NI Factory, Session Horns, The Giant piano and dozens of others.

It's so successful that a lot of third party sampling specialists write commercial sets for Kontakt. The deal with that is as Michaelvi describes above.....Native Instruments win both ways.

But this is important to say because the sequencing capabilities are most definitely in the DAW....basically a DAW is a digital multi-tracking recorder plus a midi sequencer....and a lot more besides.


2. I have Kontakt Five as part of NIs Komplete bundle. However, I'm using Production Grand (compact) in its own platform player, sforzando. It works absolutely fine. It is in fact the same player that's used for Garritan CFX (only they call it Plogue.Aria). It may be compact, and the CFX may be lite, but they are very fine pianos and are TOTALLY different in character, despite both being Yamaha: a C7 and CFX, respectively.


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