2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad) Piano Sight Reading
train piano sight reading with your iPhone or iPad
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Pianoteq
Steinway Spiro Layering
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
Who's Online Now
53 members (Bostonmoores, Ampersand, anotherscott, accordeur, chaplincap, c++, 36251, 12 invisible), 494 guests, and 421 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,289
E
4000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
4000 Post Club Member
E
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,289
Morning all,

Just browsing YouTube and found this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyqC76x4ZAA

Checking out Dexibell's channel it's clear they are quite busy people!

They have finally launched the S1 68 note 8kg battery powered gigging piano.

It's all in Italian but it seems there's a piano module too (finally, some decent piano sounds on a module again - where did they all go!?).

And, rather intriguingly, I am assuming from the last segment of the video I've linked to, that they've developed a 'virtual damper' element in their software. I'm just guessing that it is trying to decide from your playing style whether or not you would want to be using the damper pedal and it makes the decision for you if you don't have a damper pedal available. The demo at the end is interesting. He unplugs the damper and then plays. It's clearly not foolproof but I applaud the company and its efforts to innovate.

Last edited by EssBrace; 11/15/17 08:48 AM. Reason: spelling
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,929
8000 Post Club Member
Offline
8000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,929
My local dealer has these in; I liked the look of one of the home pianos. Very man friendly; the sound seemed ok, and the action was very light. I also tried the new Korg portable, and that was ok too.
I wouldn't really describe them as innovative any more than the usual motley lot. Now if you try out Pianoteq's Bechstein from Kremsegg collection you'll hear those antique sounding resonances that you get from a real piano. It's like a different world.


"I am not a man. I am a free number"

"[Linked Image]"
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,550
C
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
C
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,550
Yay! Even the current models will have a software update with new features and their collection of downloadable extra sounds has already grown and will grow even more.

(Those can be previewed on their site, if you create an account.)

Anyway, they are getting a bit closer to Nord's customisability and of course already were much more flexible than the "traditional" manufacturer's who might offer an occasional software update every now and then to fix a bug or two.

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,289
E
4000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
4000 Post Club Member
E
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,289
Originally Posted by peterws
I wouldn't really describe them as innovative any more than the usual motley lot. Now if you try out Pianoteq's Bechstein from Kremsegg collection you'll hear those antique sounding resonances that you get from a real piano. It's like a different world.


Personally, I think Dexibell is a fair bit more innovative than certain others. It's results that count of course far more than technical specs but I find their piano sound very agreeable. Much longer samples than others and modelled resonances etc. They are continuing to develop their core products and are launching very interesting new ones.

And I just can't agree about PianoTeq. I bought Stage recently and whilst there are some good things about it I can't even be bothered to take my laptop upstairs to use it now. That's how much allure PT has for me. Yes, the resonances are far and away better than mainstream hardware DPs but the basic tone is nothing like right yet. Nothing like.

Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 396
P
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
P
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 396
The new module is the Dexibell Vivo SX7 which has 1.5GB of assignable RAM on board, into which you can load the presets you want. It's piano sounds are basically the equivalent of the Dexibell S7 keyboard version.

Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,445
A
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
A
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,445
Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by peterws
I wouldn't really describe them as innovative any more than the usual motley lot. Now if you try out Pianoteq's Bechstein from Kremsegg collection you'll hear those antique sounding resonances that you get from a real piano. It's like a different world.


Personally, I think Dexibell is a fair bit more innovative than certain others. It's results that count of course far more than technical specs but I find their piano sound very agreeable. Much longer samples than others and modelled resonances etc. They are continuing to develop their core products and are launching very interesting new ones.

And I just can't agree about PianoTeq. I bought Stage recently and whilst there are some good things about it I can't even be bothered to take my laptop upstairs to use it now. That's how much allure PT has for me. Yes, the resonances are far and away better than mainstream hardware DPs but the basic tone is nothing like right yet. Nothing like.


Be careful ... you'll have a horde of pteq fanatics chasing you soon, you know what it is like, such topics can get very sensitive with some laugh

On topic, I haven never seen these anywhere near me in shops, I'd say PMT are the most likely to stock them perhaps at some point I reckon, there is one near me, would be interested trying them out.


Selftaught since June 2014.
Books: Barratt classic piano course bk 1,2,3. Humphries Piano handbook, various...
Kawai CA78, Casio AP450 & software pianos.
[Linked Image] 12x ABF recitals.
My struggles: https://soundcloud.com/alexander-borro
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,289
E
4000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
4000 Post Club Member
E
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,289
Originally Posted by Alexander Borro
Be careful ... you'll have a horde of pteq fanatics chasing you soon, you know what it is like, such topics can get very sensitive with some laugh

On topic, I haven never seen these anywhere near me in shops, I'd say PMT are the most likely to stock them perhaps at some point I reckon, there is one near me, would be interested trying them out.


You are quite right! But in my defence Pete raised the PT spectre! Not another word, I promise.

I think Dexibell are well worth a try. For us geeks here at PW the stumbling block - by reputation (not necessarily justified) - is that they have Fatar actions. I perhaps ought to disclose that I became a Dexibell owner a couple of months ago. I've had no regrets. It's a 'musical' sounding and behaving piano and that is as good a compliment as I can pay to a digital piano.

Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,445
A
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
A
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,445
Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by Alexander Borro
Be careful ... you'll have a horde of pteq fanatics chasing you soon, you know what it is like, such topics can get very sensitive with some laugh

On topic, I haven never seen these anywhere near me in shops, I'd say PMT are the most likely to stock them perhaps at some point I reckon, there is one near me, would be interested trying them out.


You are quite right! But in my defence Pete raised the PT spectre! Not another word, I promise.


It doesn't bother me at all. I agree with you in many ways on that topic and glad that you speak your mind to keep things in perspective. Personally, I have nothing against pteq and glad it exists, for me, there is no vendetta as some seem to take it, as if we are here to just shoot it down for the sake of it. I appreciate some of its strengths but, there are also things I don't like and that hasn't changed from 5 to 6 IMO, despite improvements, but that just doesn't seem to sit well with some of the fanatics.

It's actually a shame at times with things like that we can't have civilised open discussion surrounding the topic, so usually, these days I don't even bother .. pointless.

I think there are many interesting comparisons of recordings that could be made ( and I have done myself ) that I could have posted in that pteq 6 thread that would make for interesting discussion of a real a Steinway model D ( of what I consider good neutral/balanced recordings of that instrument, and not some thin sounding shrill recordings that you get with some mic setups that just happen to match up a bit better with pteq). I have heard a few in the flesh too, as well as having played a few model Os too briefly, what a joy !, but I just couldn't be bothered going there, the discussions pretty much always end up the same way.

Sorry for the OT ... I needed to get that off my chest ... back to Dexibell smile

Last edited by Alexander Borro; 11/15/17 05:22 PM.

Selftaught since June 2014.
Books: Barratt classic piano course bk 1,2,3. Humphries Piano handbook, various...
Kawai CA78, Casio AP450 & software pianos.
[Linked Image] 12x ABF recitals.
My struggles: https://soundcloud.com/alexander-borro
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 5,357
G
5000 Post Club Member
Offline
5000 Post Club Member
G
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 5,357
Dexibell seems to be doing some things that pianists have been asking for. Lots of sample memory, no loops...I don't see why anyone shouldn't be supportive of a new player actually attempting to cater to users' desires.

I agree the Fatar action is probably a barrier to some customers who are more active online, but to me it illustrates how hard this particular aspect of DP hardware design is, for so many manufacturers. The design, multiple materials, the moving parts, the R&D that has to go into it...without a turnkey solution it probably wouldn't be feasible for a lot of startups or smaller manufacturers.

ESS, really eager to hear your impressions of the Dexibell, and how you came to choose it for your next DP. I've yet to see one in the flesh.


Yamaha P-85, P-105, CP50, Kawai MP11 || Kawai NV-10
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,289
E
4000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
4000 Post Club Member
E
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,289
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Dexibell seems to be doing some things that pianists have been asking for. Lots of sample memory, no loops...I don't see why anyone shouldn't be supportive of a new player actually attempting to cater to users' desires.

I agree the Fatar action is probably a barrier to some customers who are more active online, but to me it illustrates how hard this particular aspect of DP hardware design is, for so many manufacturers. The design, multiple materials, the moving parts, the R&D that has to go into it...without a turnkey solution it probably wouldn't be feasible for a lot of startups or smaller manufacturers.

ESS, really eager to hear your impressions of the Dexibell, and how you came to choose it for your next DP. I've yet to see one in the flesh.


I think you are right on all counts.

Fatar gets some bad press. I had a horror story many years ago with a Fatar action on a Kurzweil piano. Very poorly made action with some sort of adhesive everywhere causing hammer weights to stick. Terrible thing. But I think they have tried hard to improve quality and playability. They are not at the cutting edge, even with their best action (TP40 Wood in my opinion) but their better actions are very playable. If you were to play back to back with a GF2 equipped Kawai there is no comparison; the Kawai wins hands down. That almost doesn't need saying I guess. But in isolation I think you have to ask yourself, "can I express what I want in a musical sense with this action?" Personally I think that you can on the better Fatar actions.

The Dexibell story is a longish one for me. I had been intrigued from the start. Their piano sound is nice. Mellow but responsive. I played one in the very early days at Stourbridge Music Centre in England and was unsure what to think. I sometimes have that experience that I am a bit nonplussed and then the experience settles on my mind over the next days or weeks. I kept thinking about it so went to play another Dexibell at a tiny little dealer in rural Norfolk. The environment wasn't great to be honest so I parked that experience in the back of my mind and gave it some more thought.

In the end I thought; "what the heck, you only live once". I was after another piano to compliment my Kawai CS11 (which I still love to bits and which is a prime example of 'you get what you pay for'). I then found a deal on a floor model Dexibell P7 (stagey type but with built in speakers) at the second dealer I had visited. That became mine at a decent discount. It's good. That's a personal view of course. There's downsides (as there is with every product) but the main impression it always leaves me with is that it is a nice musical instrument. I would encourage anyone to try one out if they get a chance. I'm not saying it's a game changer but it has a tonality and character that could be very appealing. And they have tried hard to move things on a little bit. Much longer samples combined with modelling. Soundfont compatibility, Bluetooth audio streaming (which has become quite common now but I think they were pretty much first with that feature), regular updates, 24 bit audio etc.

I could've bought the S7 instead (which was also a floor model available at the same dealer) and in hindsight I think that might have been a better fit for me. I only say that because the S7 has the Fatar TP40 action and the P7 has Fatar TP100. TP40 is better. I was unsure about that at first but it is certainly better. That said, the P7 with 35 watts per channel onboard amplification/speakers and 88 hammer weighted keys is only about 14kg, which is amazing in my opinion. The S7 with no speakers is 17.5kg. All of that extra weight must be in the action.

Build quality and user interface are both excellent on both the P series and S series. Check them out if you get a chance. I understand they may be in Sam Ash and Musicians Friend and Kraft etc in the USA at some point soon. I think the module looks very promising, assuming it is sensibly priced. I think they are doing some good stuff.

Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,550
C
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
C
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,550
Dexibell also has the X MURE auto accompaniment app (for supported mobile devices). It's completely audio based as opposed to using a General Midi sound set. (Not revolutionary anymore, but a feature anyway.)

Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,225
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,225
So the international director of sales for Dexibell, used to be my Roland rep when i was working retail in the UK.

I reached out to him recently to find out where I could try one in the Vancouver area, and the he advised that the North America Sales Manager (a former colleague at Roland) was going to announce a Vancouver area retailer soon.

I know much of the sales, engineering staff management for Dexibell from my time with Roland. Quality guys, that will build a quality instrument. I am excited to have a good go at one of these pianos.

Jay


Formerly in the business. Now just a piano fan.
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 736
J
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
J
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 736
Interesting that the user can create and upload sounds in the SF2 format. I can imagine someone updating one of the few remaining SF2 creators with a more modern interface. Oddly, Dexibell doesn't, for now, offer any additional piano sounds on their site. All of the downloads are for other instruments such as organs and string instruments. If they want to compete with the Nord, they will need to develop new pianos or license them from other developers, I suspect.

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,289
E
4000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
4000 Post Club Member
E
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,289
Originally Posted by Jake Jackson
Oddly, Dexibell doesn't, for now, offer any additional piano sounds on their site.


No but the last software update a month or so ago included a new piano preset (‘Vivo Live’). They seem very ready to keep it current. The UK brand manager tells me they are very receptive to feedback.

Last edited by EssBrace; 11/19/17 06:50 PM.
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,876
A
5000 Post Club Member
Online Content
5000 Post Club Member
A
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,876
Originally Posted by Jake Jackson
If they want to compete with the Nord, they will need to develop new pianos or license them from other developers, I suspect.

It would be nice, but lots of folks compete with Nord and don't have additional downloadable pianos. These have their own advantages, too. The Nord Piano 3 is $3k. The Dexibell S7 is $1800, and has some things the Nord Piano does not, like pitch/mod wheels and 4-zone MIDI control functions. And the one piano sample it has is much larger than any Nord piano sample (no looping).

Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,550
C
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
C
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,550
There will be new piano sounds, but they talk about "quality", so I wonder if it's just one of the already existing pianos, but as a larger sample. Anyway, more sounds coming in the followings couple of months.

(Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCf-A0K3XM8&feature=youtu.be&t=11m11s)

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,325
S
3000 Post Club Member
Offline
3000 Post Club Member
S
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,325
Anotherscott: I assume you mean the one *grand* sample - the S7 has a separate upright sample, from memory - yes?

Greg

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,289
E
4000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
4000 Post Club Member
E
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,289
Originally Posted by sullivang
Anotherscott: I assume you mean the one *grand* sample - the S7 has a separate upright sample, from memory - yes?

Greg


It has four variations of the main piano sample; Vivo Grand, Vivo Live, Classic Grand and Pop Piano. There's a pretty big difference between the extremes (Classic - mellow and Pop - bright) but they are all very useable. As you say there is also a very good upright piano and also a heritage type of piano which is a sample of a Pleyel Grand actually played by Chopin from the 1850s. All have the long samples and various modelled resonances.

Will be interesting to hear the 'Platinum' versions to be released in due course...


New video just gone up on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgoHScxEx7c

Last edited by EssBrace; 11/21/17 06:39 PM. Reason: linked to video
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 17,298
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 17,298
Originally Posted by EssBrace
The UK brand manager tells me they are very receptive to feedback.


Assuming we're thinking about the same guy, he's a really nice chap, and very passionate about the instruments.

Cheers,
James
x


Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player.

Moderated by  Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
(ad)
Couch to Concert Hall
Couch to Concert Hall
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Rhythm question regarding Schumann Op. 76/2
by hawgdriver - 04/20/21 10:32 PM
New Yamaha CX series vs Boston
by GraceTuraco - 04/20/21 09:15 PM
Thinking of buying a 2007 Yamaha G2 5'7" Grand
by Teresa100 - 04/20/21 07:52 PM
Estonia L190 Bass Scale
by mbd - 04/20/21 07:52 PM
A closer look at the Feurich 'Vienna' 123 model
by oswaldpeters - 04/20/21 04:22 PM
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics206,432
Posts3,084,709
Members101,254
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers

Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | MapleStreetMusicShop.com - Our store in Cornish Maine


© copyright 1997 - 2021 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5