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Be careful what you post, the Internet has sites that store everything that happens which makes getting rid of something you wish you hadn't posted not so easy.

If you decide you want to quit the forums and have your account deactivated we will mark it as Permanently Banned at request of the member.
We will NOT go back and delete your posts, we don't have time for that. Your account will also not be deleted but will be deactivated. We may or may not help you alter an individual post if you've realized you made a mistake that can cause someone trouble, but this is up to the moderators. With over 100,000 members and over 3 Million Posts we can't spend all our time fixing things so...

Rules, Policies, and Disclaimers

Considering the real-time nature of this message board, it is impossible for us to review messages or confirm the validity of information posted. Please remember that we do not actively monitor the contents of posted messages and are not responsible for any messages posted.

We do not vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message, and are not responsible for the contents of any message. The messages express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of this BB or any entity associated with this BB. Any user who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to contact us immediately by email.

We have the ability to remove objectionable messages and we will make every effort to do so, within a reasonable time frame, if we determine that removal is necessary. This is a manual process, however, so please realize that we may not be able to remove or edit particular messages immediately.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you or you have the written permission from the copyright owner. We reserve the right to use any posted messages in other areas of our Web sites.

Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever.

You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s).

We reserve the right to reveal your identity (or whatever information we know about you) in the event of a complaint or legal action arising from any message posted by you. If is subpoenaed to reveal your identity and has a means of contacting you, we will make a reasonable attempt to notify of the subpoena so that you may have an opportunity to attempt to quash the subpoena.

Please also read Comments Concerning Defamatory Postings.

Comments Concerning Defamatory Postings:

The web site has developed into a popular, communications medium for those who have an interest in pianos. It has become a place where interested parties may communicate on a variety of related subjects.

The proprietors have neither the time nor the inclination to monitor the large number of daily postings, nor to attempt to determine the truth or falsity of any posting. The proprietors have no legal obligation to do so.

The web site is akin to a community clubhouse, a street corner, a bar, a pool room, a college campus, etc., where people congregate to exchange views on various or particular subjects relating to pianos. The owner of the bar or the poolroom, who provides the forum, cannot be held liable for any defamation views expressed by any patron, nor is the owner obligated to determine the truth or falsity of any stated view.

Piano World strongly suggests that postings be factually true. Individuals who enter false, defamatory postings could be held legally responsible. Individuals who believe they have a legitimate complaint against a business are encouraged to take that complaint directly to the business.

Businesses which receive complaints or observe derogatory postings are encouraged to work them out with the individuals involved. Such businesses are certainly permitted to post opposing views.

Piano World has absolutely no legal responsibility for any posting, unless actually written by Piano World. The law is very clear in this area. The Communications Decency Act of 1996 and an ever increasing body of case law have with consistency held Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and bulletin board (BB) operators immune to defamation suits.

Typically the ISPs and BB operators have been released at the pleading stage, sometimes with attorney fees paid by the plaintiff.

In general ISPs and BB operators and in particular have no legal obligation to try to determine the truth or falsity of any posting. Besides having no desire, they have no means or specific skills to do so. ISPs or BB operators would indeed be a poor vehicle for fact finding.

In essence Congress has chosen to treat ISPs and BB operators the same way the law treats libraries, news stands, book stores, and others with regard to defamation. They are not liable for defamation which is contained in their books, newspapers, or other publications.

Behavior on the Forum

Although we lively discussions and strong opinions are welcome, here are some guidelines:
Don't hijack threads. If you read something in a thread that makes you want to explore a different tangent, start another thread.

Stay on topic. Piano World is the place to discuss pianos, pianists, piano playing, piano music, ... - All Things Piano! The occasional off topic thread gives the forum a bit of spice but please conform to the following:
Mark your thread as off topic e.g., OT - what's the best device for listening to music
Do not start off topic threads on topics that are potentially controversial or inflammatory. Examples include: politics, religion, etc.
Be aware that forum moderators may choose to limit the number of off topic threads in a particular forum.

Repeatedly hijacking threads either to start a new topic or carry on a "side" (but public) conversation is not permitted and will result in a warning and possible suspension of access to the forum.

Discuss what has been said, not the person who said it. Feel free to disagree, even strongly, with something someone has said but note that they're as entitled to their opinion as you are and just because they don't share your opinion doesn't mean they're wrong or deserving of abuse.

If you feel someone is attacking you or a fellow forum member, resist the urge to wade in and do battle. Use the Notify button. It's the icon labeled "Notify" at the bottom of each post. This will give you the opportunity to say how you think the post is "out of bounds" and will send a notice to forum administrators. Note that if you choose to ignore this and respond on the forum, your posts and subsequent responses may be deleted. Repeated infractions will draw a warning and possible ban.
If you feel someone is using the forum improperly e.g., to post spam, advertising, etc., use the Notify button to report it.

Suspension from the forum

While it is our strong desire to allow conversations on the forum to continue freely, violation of the rules discussed here or any other behavior deemed by the moderating staff to be inconsistent with our desire to make Piano World a welcoming, friendly place may result in suspension or termination of your ability to access the forum.

In general, we try hard to be fair and not overly heavy handed. If you step out of bounds, you will more than likely receive a message from a moderator alerting you to that fact and warning you against future infractions. You should take that warning seriously. Subsequent misbehavior on your part will result in a suspension of your ability to access the forum. The duration of that suspension depends on the nature of the infraction. Note that although you will receive notice of suspension or termination from a single moderator, all suspensions or terminations of access are reviewed by the entire moderating team.

Every single action a moderator takes is posted in the moderator forum (which you can't see). We say what we did, who we did it to and why. This includes bans, timeouts, locked threads, etc.

All of the moderators and the site owner see this. If any of them feels the moderator in question acted inappropriately, was too harsh or not harsh enough, it's discussed and potentially changed. Sometimes a temporary ban is judged to be serious enough to be made permanent. Sometimes a permanent ban is made temporary or revoked entirely. Both of these have happened.

What doesn't happen is we don't throw it open to the forum at large for a vote. We have checks that prevents an individual moderator from going off the rails. If you feel those are insufficient or an action we've taken is unfair or that you can't live with something we've done, by all means go elsewhere. We try hard and spend a lot of our free time trying to be even handed and fair. We all generally agree the best moderation is when we don't have anything at all to do. Please make that possible by obeying the forum rules and keeping your discussions mostly on topic and civil.

Finally, we don't discuss actions we've taken involving another forum member on the forum, mostly because it's none of your business. There's often a lot of history, previous bans, timeouts, warnings via PM, etc., that have taken place. It's not a trial and you're not the jury.

Note: You must be a registered member for most of the following. If you haven't already registered Register Now, it's free.

1.) Piano Industry Pros -- Please READ THIS!
If you are or were associated with the piano industry, please click the above and read it thoroughly.

2.) Why Should I Bother To Join?
Membership Has It's Privileges laugh
By becoming a member, you gain the opportunity to post questions and/or contribute answers.
For many more reasons, please see this page...
Why Join?

3.) What Is/Isn't Allowed?
We are a family-oriented web site. Please be careful what you post. Keep it clean, refrain from vulgarity or slander.

Do not be mean-spirited or decidedly negative.
If you are or were in any way associated with the piano industry, please see #1 above.


Please do not use the forums to advertise or promote your business, services, or products.
(Mentioning your business in your signature is ok)

First, we do not want to subject our members and guests to unsolicited advertising,
second... Piano World and the Piano Forums are supported in part by advertisers WHO PAY US TO ADVERTISE ON OUR WEB SITE.

If you are interested in advertising on the Internet's most popular web site, please see our ADVERTISING OPTIONS

Professionals in piano related businesses, please also see this post:
Piano Industry Pros Read This

For more details about what you should/shouldn't post, please see this...
Be Careful What You Post! (includes information about possible legal action).

Solicitations and/or Requests for Donations of any Kind
We do not allow solicitations on the forums. It isn't that we don't want to help, but this is not the place.
If you are part of a non-profit (or just trying to help one), please see this list of sites that specialize in fund raising...

4.) Why Was I Banned From Posting?
If you suddenly find yourself banned from posting, there is a good chance you went over the line. If you really enjoy the forums and would like another chance, email us

Things that can get you banned...
Vulgarity, posting lewd pictures, using the forums to promote yourself or your business, slamming your competitors and/or competitive brands, constantly hijacking threads for your own purpose.
If your intention is any of the above, go somewhere else, you aren't welcomed here!
(See "What Is/Isn't Allowed" above for more details).

5.) Starting a New Topic/Post
Enter the forum you want the new topic to be displayed in (you must be logged in)
Click the "New Thread" button at the top of the page.
Enter a title, fill in your message, click "Post New Topic" (you can also click "Preview New Thread" to see if you like the way your new post looks before posting it).

6.) Replying to a Thread
You must be logged in.
Fill in the Message box and click "Add Reply", or
if you want to use more of the features, click "Full Reply Form", fill in the Message box, and click "Add Reply".

7.) How Do I Post a Picture?
We recommend using the Picture Gallery for uploading and posting pictures. It's easy to use and provides you with three sizes of each picture.
REMEMBER, we prefer to host the pictures here on our own servers, we've had too many instances where images linked from another site disappear.
Instructions for Uploading Pictures

Or, see this thread for instructions about using our old photo uploader...
Please remember, Keep the size small, and remember, this is a family oriented web site.

8.) How Do I Change Something in My Profile?
To change your profile (avatar, signature, etc.), click on "My Profile" at the top of the page, then click "Edit Profile". Make your changes and click "Update Profile".
This is also where you can change your preferences and do other things with your account.

9.) I Enjoy the Forums. How Can I Help Support Them?
We're glad you asked:-) If you would like to help keep the forums going, please consider becoming a Subscribing Member , or visit this page for other options...

10.) I Can't Log In!
~ To post you must be logged in, and your browser/computer must be accepting cookies from

~ Remember, passwords are CasE SeNsiTive. When in doubt, it's best to copy and paste the password.
~ We find people sometimes reverse their Username and Password or their display name and Username.
It's important to use the right one in the right place. Your Username is: mole

~ The issue of not being able to log in is often caused by a browser setting or spyware protection software (like spybot or McAfee) blocking cookies.

Our forums software requires the use of cookies. The "cookie" (a small file) has to reside on your computer to work, it gets placed there when you register.
~ It may be that you do not have cookies currently enabled on your computer, or there is a setting preventing the
placement of the cookie, or something recently changed a setting and you are no longer accepting cookies from
You may need to tell your browser specifically that is ok. Settings are often found under security or privacy within the browser settings.

~ Sometimes it helps to close all browsers and programs, and reboot the computer.

If all the above still fails, please try logging in from another computer.
Hopefully one of the above will fix the problem and you'll be on the forums in no time.

11.) What Happened to the Thread I was Watching?
Threads come and go quickly. Unfortunately, even the better threads get buried within a few days.
If you find a thread particularly helpful, please suggest it as a candidate for one of our FAQ forums Suggest a FAQ Candidate

12.) How Do I Bookmark a Thread?
Discovered a particularly interesting or helpful thread? (see above for how to suggest we save it).
Use the Bookmark feature in your browser.
~ In Internet Explorer, click "Favorites", then click "Add to Favorites", next click "New Folder".
~ Name the folder something like "Favorite Piano Forums Threads".
~ Now, whenever you find a thread you like, simply click "Favorites", "Add to Favorites", and then click on your Piano Forums folder and say "OK".
~ Whenever you want to revisit any of your saved threads, you just go into your Piano Forums favorites folder and click the thread you want.

13.) How Can I Advertise on Piano World?
Between the Piano Forums, the Main Piano World Web Site , and our online store we receive millions of piano loving visitors a month.
If you are in a piano-related business, please consider Advertising on Piano World

14.)Creating multiple accounts
An individual is allowed one account on Piano World. If it appears to the moderating team that you have created multiple accounts the duplicate accounts will be closed at the sole discretion of the site administrators. Creating a second account for the purpose of "anonymously" promoting a product, discussing a controversial topic, etc., may result in both accounts being closed.

Frequently, members create second accounts because they forgot their password. There is a simple remedy for this: click on the "forgot my password" link and a temporary password will be sent to you. You can then log in and change your password to something you can remember.

15.) Still Have Questions?
Many common questions are answered in our
FAQ section.

If you don't find the answers you were looking for, post your question on the forums, or contact us.

Welcome to the Piano Forums!
We hope you enjoy your stay, and that you will tell other people about us.
If you like the piano, you're in good company!

Best Regards,
- Frank B.
Piano World, The Piano Forums,