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Sheet music question #2687445
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This piece of music is for playing guitar and piano although the pic omits the guitar staff segment to be within the attachment size limit. The piece is in Common time for both cleff, if we look at the bass clef, there is 4 counts in the measure. However the treble cleff has 8 counts in that single measure? What is the story?

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Re: Sheet music question [Re: NuggetSC] #2687446
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Originally Posted by NuggetSC
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This piece of music is for playing guitar and piano although the pic omits the guitar staff segment to be within the attachment size limit. The piece is in Common time for both cleff, if we look at the bass clef, there is 4 counts in the measure. However the treble cleff has 8 counts in that single measure? What is the story?

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That is because the treble clef is actually divided into two "voices" or parts. So your right hand will play both parts, but since there are 2 distinct musical lines happening, editors will give each "part" the correct number of beats per measure. This is quite common, so you will see much more of it the more you play. smile


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Re: Sheet music question [Re: NuggetSC] #2687448
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Thanks for the response, you say i have 2 chunks of notes, each chunk contains 4 counts. I dont follow how this is to be played exactly. I only get 4 counts in that measure? How can i play both? Even if i play both how does the bass cleff fit in the pic?

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Re: Sheet music question [Re: NuggetSC] #2687456
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The answer is in the stems. When music shows different "voices" --- imagine three singers, and each person's part is being shown --- then in the treble clef, all "stem up" notes belong to singer 1 -- all "stem down" notes belong to singer 2. The bass notes belong to singer 3.

Stem up: (singer 1) --G (half note= 2 beats) + G(tied) B G B) (4 eighth notes = 2 beats). Total: 2 + 2 = 4
Stem down: (singer 2) -- rest B E B (4 eighth rest/notes = 2 beats) + B (half note = 2 beats). Total: 2 + 2 = 4
Bass clef (singer 3)-- E, E (dotted quarter, eighth= 2 beats) + E (half note = 2 beats). Total: 2+2 = 4.

They add up correctly.

It also helps to read the score vertically, as the notes are well lined up, and you will see how the timing relates that way.

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Re: Sheet music question [Re: NuggetSC] #2687460
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Originally Posted by NuggetSC
Thanks for the response, you say i have 2 chunks of notes, each chunk contains 4 counts. I dont follow how this is to be played exactly. I only get 4 counts in that measure? How can i play both? Even if i play both how does the bass cleff fit in the pic?

Thanks



While you are playing the notes (I assume the E notes) in the bass clef you are playing a G in the treble, holding it down for 2 beats and then while you are holding the G down ...playing B,E,B and then a lower G, holding it down for 2 beats and while you are holding it down, playing a B,G,B.

And .... if you do not know that .... this music is probably much too difficult for you.

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Re: Sheet music question [Re: NuggetSC] #2687462
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I see that the OP is also using the Alfred All In One Adult book (I think book 1). Does anyone using this method know whether the up-stem down-stem multiple voice type of notation gets covered in Alfred, and if so, in what level? Nugget asked a similar question about another piece a few weeks ago. It's just a matter of some missing theory which should be an easy thing to fix.

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I don’t recall Alfred explaining anything about upstem/downstem and voices. I can’t remember if it has any pieces which present that notation.


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Re: Sheet music question [Re: PianoStudent88] #2687488
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Originally Posted by PianoStudent88
I don’t recall Alfred explaining anything about upstem/downstem and voices. I can’t remember if it has any pieces which present that notation.

I had a bit of a browse and couldn't find any resources. I was surprised that Teoria doesn't seem to cover it.

Re: Sheet music question [Re: keystring] #2687508
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Originally Posted by keystring
Originally Posted by PianoStudent88
I don’t recall Alfred explaining anything about upstem/downstem and voices. I can’t remember if it has any pieces which present that notation.

I had a bit of a browse and couldn't find any resources. I was surprised that Teoria doesn't seem to cover it.

It's usually covered in SATB writing.

Here are some resources:
http://learnmusictheory.net/diatonic/index.asp?FileName=02%2D05%2DSATBPartWriting1VoicingTriads
https://www.mymusictheory.com/learn-music-theory/for-students/grade-5/55-9-satb-writing-for-voices


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Re: Sheet music question [Re: NuggetSC] #2687524
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I saw that link yesterday, but thought it too complicated for someone just starting out like the OP. But perhaps it will do. It's kind of disappointing if Alfred doesn't cover this at any level, since this happens frequently in piano music.

Re: Sheet music question [Re: NuggetSC] #2687528
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Thanks for all the responses.

My routine is to follow Alfred every night but i look at other songs not in Alfred to mix things up as playing same Alfred song for days/week can get boring. I picked this piece as i thought it would be a good challenge, maybe too much.. : )

For now, Let me do my Homework, look at the reponses and references given above.

I really appreciate all the help.

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One thing that may help is to download the free MuseScore notation program. It shows you the different voices in different colors, which helps a lot until you get the hang of it.


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