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mr_super-hunky #2684740 10/24/17 05:32 PM
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Welcome. I’m a beginner myself at about 6 months. I’m not qualified to answer your question but you will find several well qualified people on here that can. I’m happy to hear your enthusiasm and you’ll do well. Again, welcome to the forum. Mb


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Welcome to the forum Amedeus.

What level can you expect after one year is the same question, as how long is a piece of string? there is no real answer. I also started piano later in life (54) with only limited musical experience, and right now I am just about to celebrate my fifth year of learning piano. I got pretty far ahead of myself in the first year and by the end of it I was playing pieces way to difficult for my level, although occasionally I would pull one off and it would at least sound good to me. But my overall memory of the first year was that it didn't seem I was moving forward that much as there was just so much to learn, and just getting a foothold in this new environment was about the best I could do. I picked up a bit more confidence in the second year and more each year thereafter.

If you are familiar with grades/exam levels (and this is really just a generalisation) an adult learner could achieve some proficiency in two grades per year for the first two years (as the grades get increasing difficult). For a complete starter I think doing preliminary and first grade in one year is good but don't worry if you don't. Some will move faster at different points and getting a good foundation in the first year is more important than any grade achievement.


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Hi earlofmar,

thank you so much for your reply and support. I'll keep working hard and thank you to everybody for the great information of the forum!!

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TL;DR – I’m a self-taught bass player with average talent who decided to take take piano lessons.

My story goes like this… I’d never played a musical instrument until three years ago when I turned 55 and bought Rocksmith and started playing guitar. I learned a little over fifty relatively easy songs on guitar, learned a little theory and had a load of fun. Basically the game convinced me that I could indeed learn to play an instrument in a way that other people could sometimes recognize the song I was playing. Thank you Rocksmith! So then a year ago for some inexplicable reason I bought a Fender electric bass and the Hal Leonard Bass Method books (1, 2 & 3) and began to learn to read bass clef and play bass using free you-tube teachers for technique and the method books. I’m about halfway done with book 3 and am a decent bass player. The books taught me that method books are enjoyable (for me anyway) and a fantastic way to learn an instrument.

So anyway… there was this Yamaha NP30 piano we had that we purchased for our youngest a few years back. Yeah, it’s probably an insult to pianos to call an NP30 a piano. Anyway, my son switched to drums (still plays) and the keyboard was a dust collector. For years I thought I should donate that thing to goodwill but never did because in the back of my mind I had this piano dream. Just kidding, I had no piano dream, I was just too lazy to take the keyboard to goodwill. So anyway a few weeks ago after a good bass session I was ordering coffee and dog food from Amazon.com and I see this piano method book on sale. That is when I began to wonder about learning piano. I always thought piano players were probably aliens from another planet because they read treble clef and bass clef AT THE SAME TIME! Anyway after thinking about it I decided to risk a few bucks on the Hal Leonard Piano method book. I figured minimal investment let’s see what happens and I love playing bass so maybe I’ll love piano too.

I enjoyed the first lessons in the method book so much I began to search online for a real live teacher because I thought piano is just too complex for me to do self-study. I thought I should hire a teacher and see what happens. Worst case maybe I can reduce my bad piano habits to less than 1,000 and who knows, I could be a 58 year old prodigy, right? Right. Anyway, my teacher has me using the Faber books and that is fine with me. If I turn out to bomb at piano I can always say we just used the wrong method book, and the sun was in my eyes, and the floor was not level. Probably was just the wrong brand of piano.

While I would like to become proficient I don’t aspire to perform or anything I just enjoy playing. I’m at the point with bass & guitar where I can play some songs and improvise and sound decent so I hope I can get there with piano too. It appears terribly difficult and complicated to play piano but the journey starts with a first step so here I go. If I can learn to play a good version of Freebird on the piano I'll be happy with that!

I may not have talent but I’ve got a good attitude and I like to play!



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Welcome and good luck, Chili Time...just be careful not to switch instruments too frequently or it will be tough to keep up with all of them. smile

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Hi Chili Time,

loved you story!!

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Welcome and good luck, Chili Time...just be careful not to switch instruments too frequently or it will be tough to keep up with all of them. smile

Have fun!


When I asked if I could get a piano my wife without missing a beat asked "what's next after that... tuba, sitar or Glockenspiel?".

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welcome Chili_Time, you can achieve so much with piano but you have set your sights so low........Freebird (just kidding). You have already traversed one of the big hurdles for the budding pianist, the bass clef so I think it won't be long before your Fender bass is sitting in the corner, (just like my guitars), collecting dust.


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Hi, I'm also an adult restarter. I am 32 years old and live in Las Vegas, and I work as a graphic artist. My other hobbies include calligraphy, oil painting and pinball.

I was forced to learn piano when I was a child when my piano teacher enrolled me in ABRSM. For over 10 years she didn't allow me to choose my own pieces (I wanted so badly to learn Romantic pieces), but every year she chose for me the easiest from the ABRSM syllabus, whether or not I liked the piece. All I did was play well enough to pass the exam. It made practicing very tedious. I didn't even care who the composer was. As you can tell, I was burnt out quite quickly. I took up the violin but again, my violin teacher made me enroll in ABRSM. I could tell the same thing was happening and quit after 2 years. When I received my Grade 8 in Piano, I dashed out of class! I didn't read a single sheet of music for 15 years, and even forgot what a treble and bass clef looked like.

Recently I started listening to more classical music, and Chopin kept popping up in my Spotify playlists. I fell hard for the Nocturne 9-2. So hard in fact, I had a yearning to play again after all these years. Now that I am an adult, I felt I could learn whatever I want. One week later I bought a digital Yamaha and the sheet music to the Nocturne, and had quite a fun evening remembering what key signatures looked like, left and right hand notes etc. It all came back to me slowly!

I figured out the notes to the Nocturne but it still doesn't sound right. My fingers were stiff and childish. So I found a teacher and in our first trial lesson, she asked me to play what I can. I did my best and thought she would be impressed by what I taught myself. Nope! She kicked my butt, hard! She used words I had never heard applied to my years of playing piano.. words like 'color' and 'touch'. She corrected my posture and fingers and made observations that I would never in a million years notice. My childhood teacher had never bothered fixing all these subtleties, all we needed was the bare minimum to play the right notes and pass the examination. But my new teacher was not satisfied with mere note reading. She drilled me for weeks on how to extract the best sound from the piano. It was a new world! I had to unlearn a lot, and relearn even more. I quickly realized the Nocturne was not as easy as it sounded. Now I sit at the piano everyday curling my fingers trying to 'extract the best sound'. My childhood self would have thought I was crazy!

My summer reading this year was 'Grand Obsession' by Perri Knize. It was a revelation to me that in this Internet age there would be adult amateur communities online. So now I am here, reliving the passion that was lost to me in childhood. Right now I can only play one song, the Nocturne, but I hope eventually I can play my other dream Romantic pieces like Claire de Lune (!) or Schubert;s Impromptu (!!). And I hope to learn a lot more from this community!


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what a tragic story shinl of being forced to play music you didn't love, great perseverance though. My dream is to play Chopin Nocturnes but they are still a good few years away, longer for the ones I love. You may not know but we have an online recital coming up, a great and friendly place to launch your Nocturne, if not this one then the following. The upcoming recital thread is here


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A recital.. how interesting! How does it work?
You will master your Nocturne dream soon! I never thought I'd be able to play it either!


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the recital necessitates submitting an mp3 recording by the due date, some people submit videos as well but this is purely optional.

The next recital is the 15th November with submissions able to be sent in two weeks prior to the opening where we can all hear the new recital. Comments, helpful hints or praise are given, (there is no bad reviews), during the discussion time. Entries are open to anyone and everyone but these quarterly recitals are only to be found in the Adult Beginners Forum. There are other more specialised recitals but the mainstay is the quarterly recitals, No 47 of which is still up there at the top of the ABF page.

More details can be found at the top of the ABF page under Important Topics on the Adult Beginners Forum, including a link to a complete list of all pieces submitted over the years. Check out the list here


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Originally Posted by schinl
.......................I figured out the notes to the Nocturne but it still doesn't sound right. My fingers were stiff and childish. So I found a teacher and in our first trial lesson, she asked me to play what I can. I did my best and thought she would be impressed by what I taught myself. Nope! She kicked my butt, hard! She used words I had never heard applied to my years of playing piano.. words like 'color' and 'touch'. She corrected my posture and fingers and made observations that I would never in a million years notice. My childhood teacher had never bothered fixing all these subtleties, all we needed was the bare minimum to play the right notes and pass the examination. But my new teacher was not satisfied with mere note reading. She drilled me for weeks on how to extract the best sound from the piano. It was a new world! I had to unlearn a lot, and relearn even more. I quickly realized the Nocturne was not as easy as it sounded............................
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Welcome to the ABF, Schinl. You have a gem of a new teacher! Count your blessings!


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Oh my! I am spending a wonderful morning and afternoon listening to the beautiful pieces of recital 47. I would love to have my Nocturne ready by the 15th. What a great idea to have online recitals.. it gives us something to work toward. Now I just have to figure out how to record an MP3?

Thank you Stubbie. Yes I am so glad to have found her. She texts me sometimes to ask how my Chopin is coming along between classes, and we discuss any hurdles I am going through. I wish I could afford weekly classes, but alas at the moment I only see her for an hour every two weeks. Still, it fits perfect with my work and practicing schedule.


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Hi, I'm also an adult restarter. I am 32 years old and live in Las Vegas, and I work as a graphic artist. My other hobbies include calligraphy, oil painting and pinball.


Schin! I saw your post in the recital thread, and thought, "'schinl', why does that seem familiar? Hmmm, Schin Lxxxx, the calligrapher extraordinaire?", and then I looked at your signature with openinkstand.com, and said to my self, "Yup!". I met you at IAMPETH in Portland, though we were not introduced (so you wouldn't know my name), and I watched several of your helpful videos whenI was learning pointed pen. I think I saw you too in Julian Waters' class when Sheila brought our class over for a combined historical lecture at Letterworks. Fun to see you here! I'm also a re-starter after many years since I had lessons as a child, but I'd only had maybe a year and not ten! So I have been very much starting from scratch, but it is fun. Anyway, welcome!! And congratulations on re-discovering the magic of piano smile


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Hello, everyone! Newbie here. I'm glad to have found this great online piano community. I'm hoping to learn more from the other members here. An adult hoping to learn the piano, I know, it's a bit late for my age, but not too late, I hope. Cheers! smile

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Welcome HansNFranz. I’m a longtime SNL fan and dig the reference. I’m an adult beginner myself having started in May of this year. I won’t say it’s easy but it sure is fun and you will find some highly experienced players here that are willing to help. The best early advice that I have gotten is to be patient as it does take time. I wish you well.


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Thank you very much, everyone! Thank you all for the warm welcome! smile

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Hi, I'm also an adult restarter. I am 32 years old and live in Las Vegas, and I work as a graphic artist. My other hobbies include calligraphy, oil painting and pinball.


Schin! I saw your post in the recital thread, and thought, "'schinl', why does that seem familiar? Hmmm, Schin Lxxxx, the calligrapher extraordinaire?", and then I looked at your signature with openinkstand.com, and said to my self, "Yup!". I met you at IAMPETH in Portland, though we were not introduced (so you wouldn't know my name), and I watched several of your helpful videos whenI was learning pointed pen. I think I saw you too in Julian Waters' class when Sheila brought our class over for a combined historical lecture at Letterworks. Fun to see you here! I'm also a re-starter after many years since I had lessons as a child, but I'd only had maybe a year and not ten! So I have been very much starting from scratch, but it is fun. Anyway, welcome!! And congratulations on re-discovering the magic of piano smile


Omg! I know you, even though we were not formally introduced I know your name from the calligraphy circles. I wish I did meet you at IAMPETH and Letterworks. Wasn't those fun? Aren't Julian and Sheila awesome?
How interesting to find another calligrapher in a piano forum! I always think the two are quite similar.. lots of scales and drills.. lots of muscle memory.. appreciation for our fine tools.. and the same wonderful sense of satisfaction when one nails a piece or writing just right. I am glad you're starting this journey with me, too! Will you be joining the Recital #48?


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