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I'd like to record the sound from the speakers of the digital, without having to hear the clacking of the keys. What do you guys recommend? I suspect this might always be a problem. Maybe it's microphone placement. For now, I'm recording via the line out from the digital into the mic input of the camcorder (using an attenuator cable, so that the signal isn't' too hot).


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Is there a reason for wanting to record the sound from the speakers?

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I guess more so for comparison to what you hear via line out.


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Ah. I am usually impressed by recordings done from line out. I can’t imagine the speakers would compare well in a recording situation. Too many other factors at play - mike quality and placement, room acoustics, not to mention the speakers.

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Waste of time. It will sound like crap.
a. Piano speakers don't sound good to begin with.
b. Pianos are very hard to record, even by a pro.
c. You are not a pro, and your equipment isn't either.
Waste of time.

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Ok, thanks for the feedback.


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Waste of time. It will sound like crap.
a. Piano speakers don't sound good to begin with.
b. Pianos are very hard to record, even by a pro.
c. You are not a pro, and your equipment isn't either.
Waste of time.


Pretty much this. Even if you expect it to sound a bit crappy in reality it will sound extremely crappy. I've never had a good result. FWIW I had the same experience with my upright piano too, when I had that. Sounded absolutely shite.

The line outs on a DP are there for a few reasons and recording is one of them.

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Ok, thanks for the feedback.


You could position your camera at an equilateral triangle pointing directly at you speakers. You might consider having the piano more in the center of your room as well to get away from walls.

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Aside from what the others have mentioned, you might also be capturing noise from the environment and probably even the sound of the switch/sustain pedal as you depress it.

If you're using the mic in of the camcorder, I suppose the audio being captured is in mono...unless its able to record in stereo through mic in(?)

If you want a stereo recording of your performance, and you happen to have either a PC or a laptop (of recent years...probably the last 3-4 years worth of PC/laptop specs)...then all you need is a simple USB audio interface (with 2 Line inputs) to connect to your digital piano's Line outs (L&R) and a free software to record your performance in stereo audio.


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Line out \ line in.

Why would anyone use a microphone on a digital piano?

Also, as I've stated before, B# does not actually exist. smile


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Originally Posted by Dave Horne


Also, as I've stated before, B# does not actually exist. smile


No! Say it ain't so!


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Originally Posted by bSharp(C)yclist
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Also, as I've stated before, B# does not actually exist. smile


No! Say it ain't so!


Oh it does exist - just open your eyes - To C naturally is to B sharp!

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Originally Posted by bSharp(C)yclist
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Also, as I've stated before, B# does not actually exist. smile


No! Say it ain't so!
Actually, B sharp does exist, it just isn’t the same pitch as C natural, except, sadly, on keyboards.

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Don't expect anything nice coming from the speakers, but it's always good to record the speakers for comparisons purpose. And to do it you need at least a decent mic, not a videocamera. Just buy a Rode NT1-A, it's amazing and affordable, and a Zoom H4.

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Recording anything via speakers and microphone when you can use a direct line seems like a bad idea. What possible advantage can there be? Until, that is, you come to electric guitars. Then, of course, the normal practice is exactly to use microphones and the guitar amplifier's speaker. A completely different mind set and contrary to all good sense, you would think. But no: the whole process is leavened by just a little black magic, as far as I can see, as is often the case in the curious world of the lead guitarist.


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Recording anything via speakers and microphone when you can use a direct line seems like a bad idea. What possible advantage can there be? Until, that is, you come to electric guitars. Then, of course, the normal practice is exactly to use microphones and the guitar amplifier's speaker. A completely different mind set and contrary to all good sense, you would think.
Ah, but there is a world of difference between the design of a guitar amp/speaker combination and a DP/speaker combination.

A properly designed guitar amp/speaker combo (that is, a classic vacuum tube amp/speaker combination) has a unique sound. This sound can be heard, and sometimes well recorded. It is the interaction of the amp with the speaker that is crucial. All those wonderful tube distortions and speaker resonances only work live. Plugging the guitar directly into your DAW destroys the whole point of having an electric guitar on the first place.

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Also, as I've stated before, B# does not actually exist. smile


No! Say it ain't so!
Actually, B sharp does exist, it just isn’t the same pitch as C natural, except, sadly, on keyboards.


Could you provide several examples of anything published displaying a B#?

I know theoretically it exists. I'm 67, studied at university level and have never encountered a B# in the wild.


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Sure - Prelude & Fugue in C# Major in J.S. Bach’s WTC is just one example.

Stand by a few minutes and I’ll post some score pages.

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Originally Posted by Dave Horne


Could you provide several examples of anything published displaying a B#?

I know theoretically it exists. I'm 67, studied at university level and have never encountered a B# in the wild.


I have seen a few B#, usually in Chromatic - style technique exercises such as Joseffy.

For example, in Joseffy's "School of Advanced Piano Playing (exercises)" Published by Schirmer, there are B# on:

* Page 16, Measures 7 and 8.

* Page 37, exercise "b", first measure.

I know I have seen more, just don't have the time to find them.



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I understand it to be a theoretical scale. There is a warning about it on this page laugh

https://www.basicmusictheory.com/b-sharp-major-key-signature


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