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Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: Lotus in Blue] #2682004
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Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: hyena] #2682008
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20 minutes x 10 in a day is max ... blush

Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: hyena] #2682018
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I use the same "oldschool" approach Svyatoslav Richter did. In the beginning of the year I 've chosen minimal avarage practice time I should maintain - 3 hours a day. I write the amount of time I practice in my notebook everyday. If I practice more than 3 hours, I write this additional time down as a "+". If less than 3 hours - than as "-". It looks like this:

2017

01.01 3.00
02.01 3.00
03.01 5.00 +2.00
04.01 2.40 +1.40
05.01 3.00
06.01 6.00 +4.40
07.01 2.00 +3.40
08.01 0.00 +0.40
09.01 1.00 -1.20
10.01 7.00 +2.40
and so on.

The Idea is to always increase positive balance or, at least, keep your avarage practice time amount at 3 hours a day.


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I'm in the slacker group, I guess. I have occasionally done 2 hours on a weekend, but normally an hour is a lot for me. I probably do half an hour to 45 minutes most days. Some days I'm not able to get to the piano. Work and life get in the way, as others have said. Plus, I'm trying to keep two other instruments going (flute and voice). Luckily, I'm still able to progress.

I never time my practice. I'm more focused on maintaining concentration. If I start to feel my concentration flagging, I either stop or shift into just playing. I've found that continuing to practice when too fatigued will quickly turn into anti-practice.


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Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2682051
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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
I use the same "oldschool" approach Svyatoslav Richter did. In the beginning of the year I 've chosen minimal avarage practice time I should maintain - 3 hours a day. I write the amount of time I practice in my notebook everyday. If I practice more than 3 hours, I write this additional time down as a "+". If less than 3 hours - than as "-". It looks like this:

2017

01.01 3.00
02.01 3.00
03.01 5.00 +2.00
04.01 2.40 +1.40
05.01 3.00
06.01 6.00 +4.40
07.01 2.00 +3.40
08.01 0.00 +0.40
09.01 1.00 -1.20
10.01 7.00 +2.40
and so on.

The Idea is to always increase positive balance or, at least, keep your avarage practice time amount at 3 hours a day.

I have read about Sviatoslav Richter's approach but don't think this is a good method for amateurs. I believe in regularity. Doing a little every day is much better than doing many hours some days and skipping other days as you have above.

In my practice I even break it down into specific activities such as sight-reading, pieces, exercises, and so on, and I make it a point not to skip any of the individual activities. This way I not only practice every day, I practice every aspect of piano playing every day.


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Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: Qazsedcft] #2682067
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Originally Posted by Qazsedcft


In my practice I even break it down into specific activities such as sight-reading, pieces, exercises, and so on, and I make it a point not to skip any of the individual activities. This way I not only practice every day, I practice every aspect of piano playing every day.


+1!

I have a list of stuff to cover and spend a little time on each every day.

Sam

Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: hyena] #2682171
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I never keep track of how much time. Although, I play every day but seldom any longer than 20 mins at a stretch. Most of the time a few sessions like that.
But I always feel that I never practice enough, which is a bit frustrating.
I have the time but find it difficult to apply myself to do more.


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Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: hyena] #2682371
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My practice is more task focused as compared to time but I think on average I put in 1-2 hours a day. If it is a busy day I will sacrifice TV or internet time to make sure I put in practice. Anything is better than sitting on the couch of doom.

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Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: hyena] #2682421
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unlikely that S.Richter's m.o. is useful for most 'adult beginners', but if some seriously trained pianists are here posing as such, hope they're enjoying themselves.

Richter had instruction quite young from his father. he worked professionally before gaining entry to the top conservatory, when an exception was made for him. he'd been employed as the rehearsal pianist and assistant coach for the Odessa opera, where he'd sight read opera scores and make piano reductions on the spot, playing these while also coaching the singers. when his friend Abbado got married Richter got the other guests at the reception, who of course included singers, played such a reduction of la Traviata from memory while giving impromptu direction to the singers.

Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: hyena] #2682423
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my practice times have gone back up to what they were before taking lessons, approaching and sometimes exceeding two hours each night. had admitted to the teacher who ended up firing me that taking on repertory above my playing ability took up part of my practice time(this was a matter of basic disclosure, was not going to push her to give me more difficult pieces). she kind of sneered, and said the results weren't so great in the past when she'd humored students and worked on things beyond their capacity ; I made it clear that was not my expectation from her. ended up putting in less time for practice as a result, 70-80 min. per night.

Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: hyena] #2684984
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I barely practice to be quite honest. My piano at home sometimes just sits there leering at me letting me know I'm "less than". I have zero idea how you all can do multiple days of practice, much less multiple days of HOURS of practice. No matter what I do, I do not improve, so I do not practice, so I do not improve. My faulty logic has me thinking that I'm sure my teacher will fire me soon.

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Originally Posted by JazzyMac
I barely practice to be quite honest. My piano at home sometimes just sits there leering at me letting me know I'm "less than". I have zero idea how you all can do multiple days of practice, much less multiple days of HOURS of practice. No matter what I do, I do not improve, so I do not practice, so I do not improve. My faulty logic has me thinking that I'm sure my teacher will fire me soon.


Pianos are excellent at silently judging you from the corner.

Not practicing at all is of course a route to no improvement, but you don't need hours of practice or an hour of practice or even a half hour of practice to improve. Even just a little each day will eventually get you somewhere.


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Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: hyena] #2684987
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I suppose my practise is not structured. I just play the 2 pieces I'm learning and randomly play others from books. I don't practice long periods of time and gave up scales and exercises long ago.

I would also suggest that my practice is dependent on mood. If I really get into a piece I can play for a long time, like 45 mins - 1 hour, but I tend to play 30 minutes. Sometimes I'm not in the mood and I don't play.

So there is no rule mate. I got better as been playing for a long time now. I tend to have to play pieces quite a long time probably cuz I don't practice as much as others but that is ok. Also if I am not in mood I often have gone without practice for 1 week. My teacher noticed (and I have) but I tend to miss it and go back to it.

If you are not pracitising it may be cuz you are not enjoying it or your mindset is wrong. I think mindset is most important in piano or learning.

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if some practitioners here have problems finding time for their pianos, two suggestions -- self impose a moratorium on watching the boob tube, and strict rationing of time spent recreationally on computers. safe and happy journeys to all.

Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: JazzyMac] #2685055
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Originally Posted by JazzyMac
I barely practice to be quite honest. My piano at home sometimes just sits there leering at me letting me know I'm "less than". I have zero idea how you all can do multiple days of practice, much less multiple days of HOURS of practice. No matter what I do, I do not improve, so I do not practice, so I do not improve. My faulty logic has me thinking that I'm sure my teacher will fire me soon.


I keep my piano lid closed so that it can't look at me like that.
A friend and I are both working on our GR.9, we have a competition of who can practice the most in a month, the loser at the end of the month buys coffee, this competition gets surprisingly intense. The competition helps with the drive to practice but aside from that, I have some pretty solid goals in place for myself and I LOVE the pieces I have chosen. If you are a goal type of person, have a big goal written on a piece of paper and post it above your piano. You can also practice with small goals that can be accomplished within that practice, for example "I will play the first line until I don't stumble on finger numbers" or "i will practice the crescendo until I am happy with it". Practice can be as exhilarating as a good workout when you have had fun and feel like you have moved forward, 10 minutes will turn into 60
If you are not improving in your practice, this is good reason for not wanting to practice. How do you learn best? structure your practice in a way that helps you improve, do not let yourself have an "empty" practice. If you are the type of person who gets overwhelmed, break your pieces down into smaller sections of practice and don't let yourself move past that section until it has improved. Point out to yourself what needs to improve, tempo, finger numbers, dynamic, etc. Don't practice with repetition in hopes that you get it right the next time, practice in repetition with focus on what needs to be improved

Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: huaidongxi] #2685057
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Originally Posted by huaidongxi
if some practitioners here have problems finding time for their pianos, two suggestions -- self impose a moratorium on watching the boob tube, and strict rationing of time spent recreationally on computers. safe and happy journeys to all.

I didn't see anyone stating that they had either of these habits impeding them. Some, however, have small children, or other commitments. I freelance and had three extremely long, heavy days going into nights, and could only grab a few minutes of practice those days. We must also ensure a balanced life. If someone has a family, they cannot totally neglect spouse and children. They need exercise, fresh air, sufficient sleep. And these can end up getting neglected when pursuing music and is not healthy. I'm sorry, but your statement sounded somewhat dismissive.

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Thanks team...I'll start again with baby steps and shorter measures. Of course my teacher has repeated this, but I have to know it all--NOW.

On good days I can get an average of 30 minutes two or three times a week.

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I started piano lessons, telling my teacher that I planned to practice for 20-30 minutes several days a week. I find that setting a lower expectation for myself allows me to achieve it, and when I surpass it, I feel amazing. Currently I do SOMETHING almost every day, even if it's only for 5 minutes. Many days I practice about 30-45 minutes, and sometimes I do abut an hour. Sometimes I do just a tiny bit before work on a keyboard with headphones so I don't wake up the household, and another tiny bit before bed on the "real" piano. If you're me, then actually lowering your expectations will help!



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I try to do about 1 hour every day but sometime is hard because I had a long day at work. During the weekend I can go for 2-3 hours. I wish I could do more during the week though!

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In regards to time: I've made some radical changes over the years, and again recently. The first time I ever took lessons, I was told it was ideal to practice 3 hours a day, and I tried to do that, hovering between 1 - 3 hours. Notions of "effective practice" were unknown to me. This does have to factor in, because with effective practice, the amount of time actually needed (over days or weeks) to reach something is greatly reduced.

There is a principle that really focused practice can only be sustained for 15 minutes (or less) or so before the mind's wires start short circuiting and while you think you're still practising, you've largely checked out. I don't stop after 10 - 15 minutes, however - I simply change what I'm focusing on.

The new thing which works for some kinds of learning involves really short sessions. I'm weak on chords if they're not the predictable diatonic ones, and am working on a Debussy prelude as a stretch piece. Here I may play a chord or two chords, get the sense of it, walk to the kitchen, walk back, and see if I still have it, as one strategy. It's a 30 second activity, and if repeated throughout the day, works wonders. When my work load gets totally crazy, I may have "no time to practice" - doing just this in breaks, can move this part ahead, yet it's 5 minutes in a day.

How much time I spend in a day varies wildly but often comes to hours. We can also "practice" when not at piano, by working things out, listening to interpretations, beating out rhythms during a walk.
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Currently I do SOMETHING almost every day, even if it's only for 5 minutes.

I think this is important. I know that if I've gotten into a rut and not practised for a few days, the very fact of having done so can make you beat yourself up, feel like a failure or that you have "lost ground", which can lead to more not practising in a nasty circle. Those 5 minutes make a world of difference.

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