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Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: hyena] #2684984
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I barely practice to be quite honest. My piano at home sometimes just sits there leering at me letting me know I'm "less than". I have zero idea how you all can do multiple days of practice, much less multiple days of HOURS of practice. No matter what I do, I do not improve, so I do not practice, so I do not improve. My faulty logic has me thinking that I'm sure my teacher will fire me soon.

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Originally Posted by JazzyMac
I barely practice to be quite honest. My piano at home sometimes just sits there leering at me letting me know I'm "less than". I have zero idea how you all can do multiple days of practice, much less multiple days of HOURS of practice. No matter what I do, I do not improve, so I do not practice, so I do not improve. My faulty logic has me thinking that I'm sure my teacher will fire me soon.


Pianos are excellent at silently judging you from the corner.

Not practicing at all is of course a route to no improvement, but you don't need hours of practice or an hour of practice or even a half hour of practice to improve. Even just a little each day will eventually get you somewhere.


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Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: hyena] #2684987
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I suppose my practise is not structured. I just play the 2 pieces I'm learning and randomly play others from books. I don't practice long periods of time and gave up scales and exercises long ago.

I would also suggest that my practice is dependent on mood. If I really get into a piece I can play for a long time, like 45 mins - 1 hour, but I tend to play 30 minutes. Sometimes I'm not in the mood and I don't play.

So there is no rule mate. I got better as been playing for a long time now. I tend to have to play pieces quite a long time probably cuz I don't practice as much as others but that is ok. Also if I am not in mood I often have gone without practice for 1 week. My teacher noticed (and I have) but I tend to miss it and go back to it.

If you are not pracitising it may be cuz you are not enjoying it or your mindset is wrong. I think mindset is most important in piano or learning.

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if some practitioners here have problems finding time for their pianos, two suggestions -- self impose a moratorium on watching the boob tube, and strict rationing of time spent recreationally on computers. safe and happy journeys to all.

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Originally Posted by JazzyMac
I barely practice to be quite honest. My piano at home sometimes just sits there leering at me letting me know I'm "less than". I have zero idea how you all can do multiple days of practice, much less multiple days of HOURS of practice. No matter what I do, I do not improve, so I do not practice, so I do not improve. My faulty logic has me thinking that I'm sure my teacher will fire me soon.


I keep my piano lid closed so that it can't look at me like that.
A friend and I are both working on our GR.9, we have a competition of who can practice the most in a month, the loser at the end of the month buys coffee, this competition gets surprisingly intense. The competition helps with the drive to practice but aside from that, I have some pretty solid goals in place for myself and I LOVE the pieces I have chosen. If you are a goal type of person, have a big goal written on a piece of paper and post it above your piano. You can also practice with small goals that can be accomplished within that practice, for example "I will play the first line until I don't stumble on finger numbers" or "i will practice the crescendo until I am happy with it". Practice can be as exhilarating as a good workout when you have had fun and feel like you have moved forward, 10 minutes will turn into 60
If you are not improving in your practice, this is good reason for not wanting to practice. How do you learn best? structure your practice in a way that helps you improve, do not let yourself have an "empty" practice. If you are the type of person who gets overwhelmed, break your pieces down into smaller sections of practice and don't let yourself move past that section until it has improved. Point out to yourself what needs to improve, tempo, finger numbers, dynamic, etc. Don't practice with repetition in hopes that you get it right the next time, practice in repetition with focus on what needs to be improved

Re: How much time do you practice? [Re: huaidongxi] #2685057
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Originally Posted by huaidongxi
if some practitioners here have problems finding time for their pianos, two suggestions -- self impose a moratorium on watching the boob tube, and strict rationing of time spent recreationally on computers. safe and happy journeys to all.

I didn't see anyone stating that they had either of these habits impeding them. Some, however, have small children, or other commitments. I freelance and had three extremely long, heavy days going into nights, and could only grab a few minutes of practice those days. We must also ensure a balanced life. If someone has a family, they cannot totally neglect spouse and children. They need exercise, fresh air, sufficient sleep. And these can end up getting neglected when pursuing music and is not healthy. I'm sorry, but your statement sounded somewhat dismissive.

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Thanks team...I'll start again with baby steps and shorter measures. Of course my teacher has repeated this, but I have to know it all--NOW.

On good days I can get an average of 30 minutes two or three times a week.

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I started piano lessons, telling my teacher that I planned to practice for 20-30 minutes several days a week. I find that setting a lower expectation for myself allows me to achieve it, and when I surpass it, I feel amazing. Currently I do SOMETHING almost every day, even if it's only for 5 minutes. Many days I practice about 30-45 minutes, and sometimes I do abut an hour. Sometimes I do just a tiny bit before work on a keyboard with headphones so I don't wake up the household, and another tiny bit before bed on the "real" piano. If you're me, then actually lowering your expectations will help!

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I try to do about 1 hour every day but sometime is hard because I had a long day at work. During the weekend I can go for 2-3 hours. I wish I could do more during the week though!

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In regards to time: I've made some radical changes over the years, and again recently. The first time I ever took lessons, I was told it was ideal to practice 3 hours a day, and I tried to do that, hovering between 1 - 3 hours. Notions of "effective practice" were unknown to me. This does have to factor in, because with effective practice, the amount of time actually needed (over days or weeks) to reach something is greatly reduced.

There is a principle that really focused practice can only be sustained for 15 minutes (or less) or so before the mind's wires start short circuiting and while you think you're still practising, you've largely checked out. I don't stop after 10 - 15 minutes, however - I simply change what I'm focusing on.

The new thing which works for some kinds of learning involves really short sessions. I'm weak on chords if they're not the predictable diatonic ones, and am working on a Debussy prelude as a stretch piece. Here I may play a chord or two chords, get the sense of it, walk to the kitchen, walk back, and see if I still have it, as one strategy. It's a 30 second activity, and if repeated throughout the day, works wonders. When my work load gets totally crazy, I may have "no time to practice" - doing just this in breaks, can move this part ahead, yet it's 5 minutes in a day.

How much time I spend in a day varies wildly but often comes to hours. We can also "practice" when not at piano, by working things out, listening to interpretations, beating out rhythms during a walk.
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Currently I do SOMETHING almost every day, even if it's only for 5 minutes.

I think this is important. I know that if I've gotten into a rut and not practised for a few days, the very fact of having done so can make you beat yourself up, feel like a failure or that you have "lost ground", which can lead to more not practising in a nasty circle. Those 5 minutes make a world of difference.

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There is a principle that really focused practice can only be sustained for 15 minutes (or less) or so before the mind's wires start short circuiting and while you think you're still practising, you've largely checked out.


Yes - I find that for best results really concentrated practice can be anything from 5 to 25 mins. So my overall daily practice consists of lots of 'small' time periods. A lot depends on the difficulty and length of the particular piece or part of piece that demands attention.


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I am retired so I have more time to indulge my hobbies than many. I usually practice about 1 1/2 hours each day--I really get physically/mentally exhausted after about that much time. I am always pretty motivated because my teacher is fabulous and really extends herself to provide extra help. I know how lucky I am and want to learn as much as I can from her.

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My average daily practice time in the last 3 years has been exactly 75 minutes a day - I know because I log it. My goal is to reach 90 minutes per day, but I keep failing - just a few days off here and there and the average plummets.

By the way, I just passed the 2,000 hours mark, after about 5 years and a half. Not much, but enough to make me feel that I'm not a beginner anymore.


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Two hours per day, and three to four hours on weekends. My day starts at 3 AM. I can tell I'm making improvement, hence the inner drive to do more. I tried 3 hours during the week, but I'm just to physically tired by the end of the day. I look forward to retirement, so I can spend more time playing. I just pray that my health allows me to play to a very old age, because I can't think of anything else I would rather be doing. On a side note, my teacher is wonderful and very encouraging in her methods. God bless those piano teachers who inspire us to do better.

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You folks are doing a great job. I feel terrible as I’ve gotten so slack these past few weeks. Just a motivation\mind thing I guess.


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Since I've found my teacher, serious classical pianist, she convinced me that if I want play piano more or less normal (from professional's point of view) a have to learn all the staff: 36 scales (12 major, 12 harmonic minor, 12 melodic minor) in straight and contrary motion, arpegios and broken arpegios for each scale, 11 types of arpegios from each note, chords (triads and their inversion) for each key. Also I have to study theory, practice sightreading and do some solfege. And play etudes. And practice pieces a wanna play:) So, the questiion "how much practice do you need?" exists no more fo me. Because the answer is obvious: as much as possible.


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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
Since I've found my teacher, serious classical pianist, she convinced me that if I want play piano more or less normal (from professional's point of view) a have to learn all the staff: 36 scales (12 major, 12 harmonic minor, 12 melodic minor) in straight and contrary motion, arpegios and broken arpegios for each scale, 11 types of arpegios from each note, chords (triads and their inversion) for each key. Also I have to study theory, practice sightreading and do some solfege. And play etudes. And practice pieces a wanna play:) So, the questiion "how much practice do you need?" exists no more fo me. Because the answer is obvious: as much as possible.


Looks like you have found an excellent teacher!

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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
Since I've found my teacher, serious classical pianist, she convinced me that if I want play piano more or less normal (from professional's point of view) a have to learn all the staff: 36 scales (12 major, 12 harmonic minor, 12 melodic minor) in straight and contrary motion, arpegios and broken arpegios for each scale, 11 types of arpegios from each note, chords (triads and their inversion) for each key. Also I have to study theory, practice sightreading and do some solfege. And play etudes. And practice pieces a wanna play:) So, the questiion "how much practice do you need?" exists no more fo me. Because the answer is obvious: as much as possible.


Yes excellent teacher but that's going to take some time and serious commmittment. I'm pretty committed but don't think I could handle that quantity of scales. Can you elaborate on the 11 arpeggios please? I've got maj, min, maj7, dom7, min7, dim.... then what?


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Personally, it is between 1h30-3h/day, 5 days/week.

I play as long as I can stay focused, keeping some time for other hobbies and friends. This suits me well. smile

When I practice less, I feel like I'm not ready for my next lesson with my teacher. Sometime, I tell him I haven't practiced enough, on which he commented once "so you practiced less than your usual 8-hour a day?" (my teacher thinks I have too high expectations on myself regarding practice time).


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I practice in chunks of 30 minutes to and hour, but several times a day, except when I work when I only have time for one chunk. I am semi retired so I work 3 days a month, normally Mondays and on those days I don't practice until the evening. Most other days I do a short stint just after I get up, and then come back to it late morning, early afternoon and then once or twice in the evening. Of course if I go out for the day, then I still normally have the morning and late evening slots but not those in the day.

When my teacher was coming fortnightly, I would often feel I was ready for her within a few days of the last lesson and then had to patiently wait for a week and a half only to find out I was nowhere near ready. Now she comes weekly and what I am doing is more complex, so I normally feel not quite ready for my next lesson when it arrives - all the more so as my lesson is early morning on a Tuesday and the day before has had the limited practice because of my working.

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Originally Posted by cmb13
Yes excellent teacher but that's going to take some time and serious commmittment. I'm pretty committed but don't think I could handle that quantity of scales. Can you elaborate on the 11 arpeggios please? I've got maj, min, maj7, dom7, min7, dim.... then what?

You could make many more than 11. There is half-diminished 7th, minor-major 7th, aumented major 7th, augmented 7th (which is not the same), diminished major 7th, then there are all the versions with "flat 5", and then all the 9th, 11th, 13th, and suspended chords. I think it's way excessive to actually practice all those. A good base is major, minor, dominant 7th in all keys and all inversions. Add to that the diminished 7th, which has only 3 distinct versions (i.e. you don't need to learn 12 keys) and you are set.


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In the sense that the word "practice" implies the existence of something else which is "the real thing", I hardly do any practice at all except ten minutes morning and night on my silent Virgil Practice Clavier. Once at the piano I want the real thing, to create and record my own music through improvisation. Unless an improviser also learns and maintains a big repertoire of pieces, the only practice needed is maintenance of technique, for which I find the Clavier a wonderful tool.

The exception to this might be the conscious development of more or less rational processes of idea generation and transition, emotion and inspiration occurring far too seldom, at least with me, to be of any practical use. So sometimes I do sit down, without recording, and deliberately improvise while paying attention to these things. I suppose this is the nearest I come to "practising" music, as opposed to "practising" technique.

Total daily time for recording+technique+improvisation practice+small repertoire maintenance varies greatly but rarely exceeds an hour or two.

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Yes excellent teacher but that's going to take some time and serious commmittment. I'm pretty committed but don't think I could handle that quantity of scales. Can you elaborate on the 11 arpeggios please? I've got maj, min, maj7, dom7, min7, dim.... then what?[/quote]

I'm not shure in correlation between russian and english terminology, so, here's the page with 11 types fron C.

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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
I'm not shure in correlation between russian and english terminology, so, here's the page with 11 types fron C.

Those are not 11 "types" of arpeggios but just 11 inversions of arpeggios from different tonalities that happen to have the note C in common and change as little as possible from one arpeggio to the next. It's a known exercise but it combines only 5 different types of arpeggios. It goes C major, C minor, Ab major, A minor, F major, F minor, C dominant 7th, Ab dominant 7th, C minor 7th, D dominant 7th, and C diminished 7th.


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I am inclined to agree with Qazsedcft, that all this heap of stuff is unnecessary and musically a waste of consciousness. There are much better ways of simultaneously developing physical technique, intimacy with keyboard patterns and the creative faculty which are far more conducive to musical enjoyment.

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Originally Posted by Ted
I am inclined to agree with Qazsedcft, that all this heap of stuff is unnecessary and musically a waste of consciousness. There are much better ways of simultaneously developing physical technique, intimacy with keyboard patterns and the creative faculty which are far more conducive to musical enjoyment.


It can be so, I guess... I just follow my teachers recomendations. But it is pissible that she just belive firmly in those "old-school methods" and doesn't wanna search for something new in piano pedagogy. Can you give a couple of examples of such a ways?


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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
I'm not shure in correlation between russian and english terminology, so, here's the page with 11 types fron C.

Those are not 11 "types" of arpeggios but just 11 inversions of arpeggios from different tonalities that happen to have the note C in common and change as little as possible from one arpeggio to the next. It's a known exercise but it combines only 5 different types of arpeggios. It goes C major, C minor, Ab major, A minor, F major, F minor, C dominant 7th, Ab dominant 7th, C minor 7th, D dominant 7th, and C diminished 7th.


Thanks for figuring that out - I was looking at it thinking these aren't C arepeggios and then began to work out what each one was when I saw your post. It seems like a neat little exercise but to do it off all 12 notes - I just don't have the time for that. I'm already doing 4 octave arpeggios in maj and min and dim in all keys but haven't done the 7ths yet. Qazsedcft do you only do dom7 or also maj7 and min7....your above post suggested the former.


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I used to practice 5 hours a day when I was at a conservatory. Physical practice is important, but also it is very effective to include a image training in your practice if you have enough piano experience to visualize playing the piano. It requires a lot of concentration but I helped me a lot!

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Scales, as well as being 'necessary' for progress, are an excellent way to warm up at the start of each day/session. But you don't need to do them all. Maybe spend 15 mins - you can do a lot of scales and arpeggios in that time, and vary which ones you do.


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Originally Posted by cmb13
Thanks for figuring that out - I was looking at it thinking these aren't C arepeggios and then began to work out what each one was when I saw your post. It seems like a neat little exercise but to do it off all 12 notes - I just don't have the time for that. I'm already doing 4 octave arpeggios in maj and min and dim in all keys but haven't done the 7ths yet. Qazsedcft do you only do dom7 or also maj7 and min7....your above post suggested the former.

I only do major, minor, dominant 7th, and diminished 7th in all keys and inversions. I'm pretty much following the RCM syllabus but doing the exercises in all keys instead of just the exam ones.


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