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#2681532 - 10/12/17 12:38 PM RH Thumb Tension  
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Hello guys,

I took a break from piano and I'm just now returning. However I'm now dealing with a weird problem I've never had before. I'm having difficulty playing fast passages and chromatic scales with my right hand. I'm pretty sure my thumb is the problem, since it usually lifts much higher and makes a jerky movement when hitting the keys, like it's too tense. It makes these passages extremely uneven everytime I have to hit a note with it. Weirdly enough, this doesn't happen with my left hand, even though I'm right handed.

Has anyone ever experiended this? Any ideas on how to fix it?

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#2681557 - 10/12/17 02:13 PM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: LFYM]  
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I can't tell if this is a situation that should involve a doctor, but assuming it doesn't, you have already won half the battle through awareness. Slow down and make a conscious effort to get that thumb to relax. Think of it hanging down off your hand. When the tension creeps in, immediately stop and slow it down again. Do you have a teacher?


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#2681559 - 10/12/17 02:20 PM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: LFYM]  
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I do. The funny thing is, I joined a pretty good music school where I live. The problems started to appear after I started taking classes with this new teacher. It might be coincidence but my thumb became very stiff. Easy passages like the ornaments on Chopin's first nocturne (op. 9 no. 1) became an uneven mess. I used to play them with no difficulty at all. It's been extremely frustraing to try to play these pieces I used to play without much effort.

#2681563 - 10/12/17 02:27 PM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: LFYM]  
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I thought it could be a medical condition actually. But I feel no pain. Does this mean anything? Or is it possible that something might be wrong and not feel any pain at all?

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#2681577 - 10/12/17 04:23 PM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: LFYM]  
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If you make a video of your playing, it will be easier for us to see what is going on.


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#2681578 - 10/12/17 04:27 PM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: LFYM]  
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Originally Posted by LFYM
I thought it could be a medical condition actually. But I feel no pain. Does this mean anything? Or is it possible that something might be wrong and not feel any pain at all?

Not to be an alarmist, but yes it could be due to a medical condition. Don't panic. If it is a medical condition, it is most likely a structural issue and not life threatening. If attention to tension does not solve the problem and your teacher can't help you, consult your doctor.


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#2681619 - 10/12/17 08:31 PM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: LFYM]  
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Here is the video. I tried to capitalize on the problem. It's not this bad, but it's not much better either.

https://youtu.be/4B2SgXERmsI

#2681669 - 10/13/17 12:52 AM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: LFYM]  
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I think you're not just lowering the thumb with it's intrinsic muscles, you're involving the arm. That's why your wrist 'wiggles'.

#2681688 - 10/13/17 03:10 AM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: LFYM]  
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Are you left-handed?

#2681728 - 10/13/17 06:17 AM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: LFYM]  
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Originally Posted by LFYM
Here is the video. I tried to capitalize on the problem. It's not this bad, but it's not much better either.

https://youtu.be/4B2SgXERmsI


It's hard to tell from video to be sure, so definitely worth showing to a teacher, and if the situation doesn't improve it might be wise to consult a doctor. What is striking from the video, although this might be partly an artifact of the direction of the scales shown, is that in the left hand your thumb position remains consistent throughout the scale, while in the RH you flex the thumb at the central joint almost randomly and without purpose, and have to bring it back into the correct position each time, and the time taken to do that is what is causing the unevenness. I mention a teacher first and then possibly a doctor only because focal dystonia can look like this, although more commonly in the fingers than the thumb. Keep practicing and see if it improves and focus on keeping the thumb as still as the playing allows, which is pretty much what you'd have to do anyway if it were focal dystonia. It can be retrained out, so it's not an insurmountable problem by any means.


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#2681886 - 10/13/17 04:56 PM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: LFYM]  
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Do you feel numbness?


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#2681993 - 10/14/17 05:19 AM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: LFYM]  
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It may or may not be related to your issues, but a couple of pianist/teachers have told me that they think using the mouse a lot is the best way to ruin your playing hands and especially the thumb. That's also my experience: The more I use the computer the worse my playing feels. I would expect the same thing can happen with touch screen smart phones...Just food for thought, especially for the younger generations.

#2681994 - 10/14/17 05:23 AM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: LFYM]  
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I'm sure it's not a medical problem, neither it's an isolated thumb problem. I think everything is simpler: LFYM is left-handed and his right hand is almost totally pianistically undeveloped.

LFYM, there is nothing to worry about. You just need much work to develop your right hand.

#2682017 - 10/14/17 07:58 AM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: Iaroslav Vasiliev]  
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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
I'm sure it's not a medical problem, neither it's an isolated thumb problem. I think everything is simpler: LFYM is left-handed and his right hand is almost totally pianistically undeveloped.

LFYM, there is nothing to worry about. You just need much work to develop your right hand.


Except that he said he's right-handed in his original post.


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#2682082 - 10/14/17 11:39 AM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: karvala]  
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Originally Posted by karvala

Except that he said he's right-handed in his original post.

I greatly doubt this.

#2682099 - 10/14/17 01:17 PM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: Iaroslav Vasiliev]  
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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Originally Posted by karvala

Except that he said he's right-handed in his original post.

I greatly doubt this.


Do you really think that someone does not know their own handedness? And that you have never met them, but you know better? A pretty incredible statement

For what it is worth to you, I know I am left-handed, but my right hand is dominant at the piano...., and they are not close to being equal. And please don't tell me I'm not left-handed.


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#2682331 - 10/15/17 10:29 AM Re: RH Thumb Tension [Re: dogperson]  
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Originally Posted by dogperson
Do you really think that someone does not know their own handedness? And that you have never met them, but you know better?

No, I simply suppose that LFYM can be kidding us. Because what I see on the video does not correspond with right-handedness, IMHO. I may be wrong, and I mean no offense to anybody. I just state what I see on the video, I see a person whose left hand is clearly more pianistically developed than right hand.

Originally Posted by dogperson
I know I am left-handed, but my right hand is dominant at the piano...

This can be the explanation. I didn't know that it's possible, but if you say so, LFYM could be the right-handed person who is left-handed at the piano.


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