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Street prices on new models #2681529
10/12/17 12:31 PM
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There have been recent announcement of several new products by Kawai. Each has their own MSRP - but I would imagine that the street price would be lower. How much do 'new' products typically get discounted for in the retail shops at the release time? Is it 0%, 5%, 10%, 20% or more??

This might depend greatly on the region - and, if so, I am interested in prices in US.

Thanks,
Osho


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Re: Street prices on new models [Re: Osho] #2681540
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The DIGITAL PIANO PRICES PAID thread above might be a big help to you smile

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/1201029/42.html


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Re: Street prices on new models [Re: Pologuy] #2681548
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Originally Posted by Pologuy
The DIGITAL PIANO PRICES PAID thread above might be a big help to you smile

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/1201029/42.html




Thanks - I have looked through the thread - it has purchase date - but not when the particular model came to market. So, it is kinda hard for me to figure out how close to the launch any given sale was for a piano.

Thanks,
Osho


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Re: Street prices on new models [Re: Osho] #2681552
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Oh... I see what you are getting at...

You are trying to figure out if "new" models have a premium and are not discounted as much for a certain period of time - and what that time period is.

I get it now.


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Re: Street prices on new models [Re: Osho] #2681576
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Pianos don't "get" discounted. The buyer creates the discount by making a discount offer.
So how much of a discount do you want? Make your own discount!

Re: Street prices on new models [Re: MacMacMac] #2681583
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Pianos don't "get" discounted. The buyer creates the discount by making a discount offer.
So how much of a discount do you want? Make your own discount!


I see. Thanks. In that case, for new just released models, what would be a reasonable discount offer to make to the dealer? I just haven't negotiated in this domain - so I don't know if there are any existing 'norms'.

Osho


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Re: Street prices on new models [Re: Osho] #2681623
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The hard part is knowing the list price. That used to be available on PianoBuyer.com in their piano price-and-features listings.

But the new fall 2017 issue discontinued the list prices. They only show some sort of "typical" street price. I've always found that to be useless, except as a way to know that I must pay much less than that amount.

You can look at the list prices from their previous edition, the spring 2017 listings. That's the last issue that shows list prices ... which don't change much, so the list prices there will suit well enough.

But there are two more problems:

1. I don't think they have the spring 2017 edition available online anymore. Only the fall 2017.
But fear not! I already have those spring 2017 numbers captured in a spreadsheet.
I cannot get that to you now because I'm away on vacation. But I can offer that to you next week.

2. The other problem is that you seem to be interested mainly in new models.
Perhaps these models first appeared in the fall 2017 edition ... with no list prices!
But again, fear not! I found a secret way to extract the list prices. I have it in a spreadsheet at home.

Send me a PM on this board next week as a reminder and I'll offer to feed the info.

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Now ... back to your original question: How much should I offer for a piano? That's purely a matter of choice and/or opinion. Here's mine ...

On a brand-new/boxed piano that is a current model, not soon to be superseded by a new model ... I'd offer 30% off of list price, and I'd close the deal at 20% off.

For a floor model ... I'd expect to pay less ... but I'd only make an offer for a pristine unit.

For an obsolete model (or soon-to-be-obsolete model) I'd offer 35% off of list and maybe (just maybe) close a deal at 30% off.

Re: Street prices on new models [Re: Osho] #2681628
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Thanks MacMacMac - very helpful information!

Osho


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Re: Street prices on new models [Re: MacMacMac] #2681637
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
The hard part is knowing the list price. That used to be available on PianoBuyer.com in their piano price-and-features listings.

But the new fall 2017 issue discontinued the list prices. They only show some sort of "typical" street price. I've always found that to be useless, except as a way to know that I must pay much less than that amount.

You can look at the list prices from their previous edition, the spring 2017 listings. That's the last issue that shows list prices ... which don't change much, so the list prices there will suit well enough.

But there are two more problems:

1. I don't think they have the spring 2017 edition available online anymore. Only the fall 2017.
But fear not! I already have those spring 2017 numbers captured in a spreadsheet.
I cannot get that to you now because I'm away on vacation. But I can offer that to you next week.

2. The other problem is that you seem to be interested mainly in new models.
Perhaps these models first appeared in the fall 2017 edition ... with no list prices!
But again, fear not! I found a secret way to extract the list prices. I have it in a spreadsheet at home.

Send me a PM on this board next week as a reminder and I'll offer to feed the info.

==========================================================

Now ... back to your original question: How much should I offer for a piano? That's purely a matter of choice and/or opinion. Here's mine ...

On a brand-new/boxed piano that is a current model, not soon to be superseded by a new model ... I'd offer 30% off of list price, and I'd close the deal at 20% off.

For a floor model ... I'd expect to pay less ... but I'd only make an offer for a pristine unit.

For an obsolete model (or soon-to-be-obsolete model) I'd offer 35% off of list and maybe (just maybe) close a deal at 30% off.


I'd like to know where you buy your pianos, lol


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