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New Phoenix Concert Grand with Carbon Fiber SB #2681028 10/10/17 09:47 AM
Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 997 Miguel Rey OP 500 Post Club Member
OP Miguel Rey 500 Post Club Member Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 997	Oliver Poole wonderfully playing Wagner Ring Cycle Transcriptions.

Re: New Phoenix Concert Grand with Carbon Fiber SB Miguel Rey #2681040 10/10/17 10:13 AM
Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,422 Richmond, Virginia A Almaviva 1000 Post Club Member
Almaviva 1000 Post Club Member A Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,422 Richmond, Virginia	Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Phoenix pianos are Steingraeber pianos that they modify. It would be interesting to hear a side-by-side comparison of the Phoenix pianos and the equivalent standard Steingraeber instrument. Is it just me, or does this Phoenix piano have a guitar-like tone? The recording could be at fault as well. Last edited by Almaviva; 10/10/17 10:17 AM.

Re: New Phoenix Concert Grand with Carbon Fiber SB Miguel Rey #2681082 10/10/17 11:59 AM
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AJB 4000 Post Club Member Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,298 England	Very interesting. Thanks for putting this video up Miguel. Considerable bass power. The recording gets better as it goes on, Almaviva. Richard Dain and Udo Steingraeber have collaborated for many years. You can play Steingraber and Phoenix in the same room at Hurstwood Farm if you are ever in the UK. It is a bit like comparing apples and oranges if one has a spruce sound board and the other has carbon fibre. The typical Phoenix sound to my ear has a lot of individual note articulation. I think Steingraeber are still using Renner actions, whereas the Phoenix use WNG. They feel quite a bit different too. The other difference that can have a big impact is whether they are strung with stainless steel bass strings. Phoenix use the patented bridge agraffe system - but I think Udo uses Richard Dain's system too at least in some pianos. It's been a year or so since I was able to make a comparison. C212. Teaching. Accompaniment.

Re: New Phoenix Concert Grand with Carbon Fiber SB Almaviva #2681379 10/11/17 06:09 PM
Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 997 Miguel Rey OP 500 Post Club Member
OP Miguel Rey 500 Post Club Member Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 997	I hear what you are saying , it's the recording. Sounds "digitized". this recording of the same night sounds much less processed. Phoenix Gershwin

Re: New Phoenix Concert Grand with Carbon Fiber SB Miguel Rey #2681399 10/11/17 07:55 PM
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BDB Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member B Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,060 Oakland	Originally Posted by Miguel Rey I hear what you are saying , it's the recording. Sounds "digitized". this recording of the same night sounds much less processed. Phoenix Gershwin The piano in the Gershwin is a Steinway D. Semipro Tech

Re: New Phoenix Concert Grand with Carbon Fiber SB BDB #2681404 10/11/17 08:16 PM
Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 997 Miguel Rey OP 500 Post Club Member
OP Miguel Rey 500 Post Club Member Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 997	only the one you looked at. I can't link direct to the correct video but its labeled like this Oliver Poole - Gershwin Rhapsody in Blue Live 12K views Oct 5 Last edited by Miguel Rey; 10/11/17 08:17 PM.

Re: New Phoenix Concert Grand with Carbon Fiber SB Miguel Rey #2681952 10/13/17 10:12 PM
Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 997 Miguel Rey OP 500 Post Club Member
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Re: New Phoenix Concert Grand with Carbon Fiber SB Miguel Rey #2682698 10/16/17 09:03 PM
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Kurtmen 500 Post Club Member Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 784 San Mateo, CA	Hi Miguel, The video is too dark it is hard to see the SB, but I think this is not a piano with a Carbon Fiber Sound Board. It reads on the fall-board Phoenix San Mateo Piano Kawai Piano Dealer San Francisco Bay Area www.sanmateopiano.com

Re: New Phoenix Concert Grand with Carbon Fiber SB Kurtmen #2682718 10/16/17 11:47 PM
Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 997 Miguel Rey OP 500 Post Club Member
OP Miguel Rey 500 Post Club Member Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 997	It's definitely a carbon fiber soundboard, they add a maple veneer on top unlike some of their earlier pianos. Last edited by Miguel Rey; 10/16/17 11:51 PM.