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I remember that this mammoth upright piano (7 feet tall) raised a lot of interest in social media and the piano press a few years ago. Whatever happened to this venture?
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You can read about it in the Piano Buyer under the brand name Chernobieff. It is still being made.
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Chris Chernobieff was an active member here for a little while. I am not sure how many of these he actually built, but the concept is definitely cool.
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I believe Galaxy Instruments has sampled it for one of their software pianos-- "The Giant".
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I believe Galaxy Instruments has sampled it for one of their software pianos-- "The Giant".
Really? Now that is cool!
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It looks like the love child of a spinet piano and a small pipe organ.
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I was wondering. Does this piano have a "sticker" action, or did Mr. Chernobieff come up with something different?
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It looks like the love child of a spinet piano and a small pipe organ. Somehow, I can't imagine any love between those two! Cheers!
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It looks like the love child of a spinet piano and a small pipe organ. Somehow, I can't imagine any love between those two! Cheers! LOL
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I was wondering. Does this piano have a "sticker" action, or did Mr. Chernobieff come up with something different? It has been sometime since I have spoken to Chris about this, but as I remember he used stickers.
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It looks like the love child of a spinet piano and a small pipe organ. Somehow, I can't imagine any love between those two! Cheers! Reminds me of an Estey Minuette residence organ. https://rilm.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/estey.jpg
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I was wondering. Does this piano have a "sticker" action, or did Mr. Chernobieff come up with something different? It has been sometime since I have spoken to Chris about this, but as I remember he used stickers. Rich, I noticed on Chris Chernobieff's website that he offered two action options: "Grand Piano Action" and "Standard Upright Piano". Is the latter option a sticker action? Also, how can one have a "Grand Piano Action", which depends on gravity, in a vertical piano? Rich, aren't sticker actions inherently sluggish, hard to control, and unreliable?
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Aren't sticker actions inherently sluggish, hard to control, and unreliable?
I'm not sure, but this is the second time you've posted about it recently. Check your anti-sticker attitude, Almaviva! How else do you get the hammer's strike point correct on a tall upright piano? Raising the keyboard height presents problems for shorter players. What about a sticker is unreliable? It has no moving parts, and just a capstan adjuster. I've never seen it cause a problem in the field, and I service a few tall verticals regularly (including my own 51" Schimmel), but I'll admit I haven't worked on a ton of them. Hoping to hear from a couple of techs about this...
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Aren't sticker actions inherently sluggish, hard to control, and unreliable?
I'm not sure, but this is the second time you've posted about it recently. Check your anti-sticker attitude, Almaviva! LOL. I'm hardly a stickerphobe. I've never encountered one, therefore I can truthfully say that "I've never met a sticker that I didn't like." I simply am repeating what two pianists told me. One was a professional concert pianist who has had several old pianos restored, and the other one was a highly respected piano dealer. When they played the very tall Bluthner Model S upright, both complained about the sluggish action and both attributed the sluggishness to the sticker action. (The pianist played a Model S at a Bluthner dealer; the dealer played one at a trade show.) I would like to know, however, whether stickers actions are inherently troublesome, and if they are, what other options does the builder of very tall uprights have? Are there any piano technicians, restorers or builders who wish to contribute to this thread?
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Stickers present very few problems, and there is less friction with them than with dowel capstans on tall uprights.
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Rich, I noticed on Chris Chernobieff's website that he offered two action options: "Grand Piano Action" and "Standard Upright Piano". Is the latter option a sticker action? Also, how can one have a "Grand Piano Action", which depends on gravity, in a vertical piano?
Sorry Almaviva. I had a phone conversation with Chris years ago about the Mammoth, but I confess that I have never seen one. I cannot answer that question, but I will email Chris to let him know of this thread. Maybe he will jump in here. I hope he does, because the Mammoth is such a cool idea and I know he made some "out of the box" choices. It would be nice to have his input. , aren't sticker actions inherently sluggish, hard to control, and unreliable?
Many manufacturers used them regularly and successfully on their very tall uprights. Think about it as having the action on "stilts", if you will. There are not many problems that I can think of that a sticker would add to an already well designed action.
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Now THAT's a sticker.... https://www.flickr.com/photos/mammothpiano/9720376372By the way, that's not Del tuning the piano,it's his brother Darrell. I am having a hard time picturing a dowel capstan on this "puppy". :-) Will Truitt
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I'm confused. The Mammoth is a 7' tall upright. The Giant is a 13' tall upright, completely custom, assembled on-site to meet site requirements. Galaxy sampled one of these rarities. But is Chernobieff responsible for both? I believe Galaxy Instruments has sampled it for one of their software pianos-- "The Giant".
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No. The Giant, as Galaxy named it, was built by David Klavins in Germany in the late 1980's. It will be superseded any day now by the Klavins 450i https://klavins-pianos.com/mod450_en.htmI think that the Model 370 has many strengths. It has a HUGE bass. And that's a bit of a problem. When you make bass strings that long, the laws of physics get in the way. It is really loud and bit overpowering to the rest of the piano. Damping is no small feat, either. I will be interested in hearing the 450i, but I suspect that balance will be an issue with it also. I commend Mr. Klavins for his effort, nevertheless. Will Truitt
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