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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2679267 10/02/17 12:59 PM
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I'm not sure if they are 100% honest or informed, but the guys at my Kawai dealership told me on Saturday that it's not clear that the NV10 will really be put into production. They indicated that at the moment it's an experiment with an uncertain future and they don't expect to be able to sell it any time soon, if ever.

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Originally Posted by gvfarns
I'm not sure if they are 100% honest or informed, but the guys at my Kawai dealership told me on Saturday that it's not clear that the NV10 will really be put into production. They indicated that at the moment it's an experiment with an uncertain future and they don't expect to be able to sell it any time soon, if ever.

Well, you'd certainly hope this is not merely an experiment. If so, that is incredibly poor form from Kawai. It's akin to vapourware. I certainly don't think Kawai James was in on it if it is the case. His presentation on the NV10 certainly showed him to be very excited about this new instrument. If they were testing the waters, it would be very disingenuous because it impacts people and their decisions - maybe some people missed out on a good deal on the Yamaha AG series, especially the recently superseded models because they thought they should wait for the NV10 to come out before making a decision. I won't hold what your dealer said as gospel until it's clear what's happening with the NV10. Maybe it's just been delayed? But if they do cancel the NV10 project, my estimation of them as a company will plummet.

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I'd hold off before making conclusions. Whenever I'm in the market for something (anything) I almost always find my knowledge is superior to the people selling whatever it is. In fact I'm often astounded by how little people know about what they're in the business of selling.


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: EssBrace] #2679300 10/02/17 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by EssBrace
I'd hold off before making conclusions. Whenever I'm in the market for something (anything) I almost always find my knowledge is superior to the people selling whatever it is. In fact I'm often astounded by how little people know about what they're in the business of selling.

Quite true. I find talking to salespeople to be a needless distraction. I usually try to head them off at the pass right from the beginning and make it clear that I know exactly what all the specs are and I'm just there to play it and I'll let them know if I need assistance. Sometimes they don't like it, but it's actually better than wasting both our time, and you actually get time to play around with it without somebody hovering over you and complimenting you on your playing.

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Originally Posted by EssBrace
I'd hold off before making conclusions. Whenever I'm in the market for something (anything) I almost always find my knowledge is superior to the people selling whatever it is. In fact I'm often astounded by how little people know about what they're in the business of selling.


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2679319 10/02/17 03:59 PM
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I find the Kawai trade show information, press releases, and tidbits from James more credible than the pitch from a Texan piano salesman.

Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2679328 10/02/17 04:27 PM
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Well, Kawai has actually said that this is going to be a real product that will be released, and I'm willing to take their word at that. As to how easily it will be find, audition, or purchase, I'm thinking as a low-volume halo product, I may never see one in my life and I don't consider that abnormal.

But if I was seriously in the market for it, I'd hope I can find one by traveling to the nearest large metro area (assuming it is released "globally").


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2679341 10/02/17 05:30 PM
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http://www.kawai.com.au/

NOVUS coming soon

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I would be really disappointed in Kawai as a company if NV10 was a vapourware. Given the effort they have put into making some noise about it, i really hope that it is not. After all, they have shown 'working models' at places such as Musikmesse. No point going through all this trouble if they don't plan to sell and make some money from it.

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NOVUS coming soon


Good to hear.

Let's hope soon is before end of the year!!

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As someone who came within a hair of purchasing an AG N2 earlier this year but decided to wait when the N3X was released, I've been anxiously awaiting the release of the Kawai Novus and now the AG N2X. I'd love to be able to do a side by side comparison before making a decision but it's impossible to find dealers in New England who have both Yamaha and Kawai DPs. Hoping there will be others who try both and post their experiences. There's been very little feedback on the N3X (haven't tried that one) improvements compared to the N2/N3. I've played both the N2 and N3 and would know I'd be happy with a next gen AG even if the improvements are evolutionary instead of revolutionary (though I'm hoping for improved connectivity, and a solution to the 'auto crescendo' damper effect I noticed when playing the AGs). On the other side, the Kawai's acoustic damper key weight simulation is intriguing. If the prices are comparable it will be a very interesting decision. Hopefully both will be available for purchase later this year or early next. I wish there was more detail to read on the Kawai at this point. It must be close to production as the initial projection for availability was October 8 '17.

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Originally Posted by jfl
As someone who came within a hair of purchasing an AG N2 earlier this year but decided to wait when the N3X was released, I've been anxiously awaiting the release of the Kawai Novus and now the AG N2X.


I have been waiting for NV10 - before deciding on the purchase of the next digital piano - which will be either NV10 or one of the Avantgrand. I really hope Kawai hasn't been just yanking all of our chains!! smile.

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In case Kawai is reading this thread - I have been waiting for the Novus since it was first announced almost 8 months ago. If I can't get it by the end of the year, my patience will have run out and I'll just buy a Yamaha Avantgrand.

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I found the N3X manual online and I see that the damper resonance is now adjustable and the noise gate can be turned off. If these updates are propagated to the N2X then it should take care of my major complaints with the N3 and N2. Like that it has USB to host instead of just Midi also, though that wasn't essential. I'm also very impressed with the CFX and Bosendorfer sound on the NU1X as heard on YouTube. If it sounds this good in person then the next gen AGs appear to be winners. Will still wait at least another few months for the appearance of the Novus and spend time playing both. I imagine one will be better than the other on some things and vice versa. It's a matter of picking the best total package. I'm assuming that the N2X will be a bit more $ than the Novus, but it may be worth more. I'm viewing this as a 15-20 year piano so will control my 'PAS' (piano acquisition syndrome) and make a careful decision.

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Yamaha denied both the excess resonance (crescendo) and noise gate issue, yet now they allow for these to be controlled/turned off.
For AvantGrand owners still in denial, yes, there is something wrong with your piano. Demand a full refund from Yamaha, a fix, or a brand new X for your aging sample-in-a-box (grand piano action included). grin

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New from Kawai: http://www.kawai-global.com/news/kawai-announces-ca98-ca78-digital-pianos/

Latest Concert Artist series with soundboard transducer. But still no information on the Novus since April. It would be interesting to hear a statement on Kawai's DP development plans. Will the Novus series be their new top of the line followed by the CA\CS series (similar to Yamaha AG and CLP)? If the soundboard transducer adds realism in the midrange, will it be added to the Novus line at some point (assuming there is a Novus line)?

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FYI - Popped into a piano shop in Central London that stocks quite a large range of Kawai DPs

(Incidentally...CS-11 is lovely to play - Anyone heard if there is a CS-12 due?)

The sales guy in there reckoned that the release of the Novus has been put back to January/February of 2018. So release may not be 'imminent'...

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Originally Posted by PianoGuyStuart


The sales guy in there reckoned that the release of the Novus has been put back to January/February of 2018. So release may not be 'imminent'...



How 'trustworthy/reliable', in your opinion/experience, is this sales guy?

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Well, he said the dates without any prompting or preamble, and they did stock a large number of Kawai DPs, so I got the feeling that they may have kept the shop in the loop (as it is Central London off Tottenham Court Road, and may potentially shift quite a few Kawai pianos)

Honestly, I don't know. But seeing as he seemed fairly clueless in other regards, but particularly definite about the Jan/Feb dates, it sort of made it seem more likely to be true, then if a more obviously 'salesy' salesman had said it.

Who knows though right!

Kawaii James...Any chance you could put folks out of their misery and give us an idea?

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