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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2678207
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Frankly, I don't get all the debate on Pianoteq. Pianoteq has a free demo. You try it out for yourself and if you like it and think the price is fair, then buy it. If you don't like it, then don't buy it. Pianoteq is what it is and no complaining one way or the other is going to change the software.

To me it is just another piano vst. Since I can try out the demo, I don't really care about any opinions here or reviews. I've tried 4, 5, and now 6, and have made up my mind on the software. Should anybody care what I think. Absolutely not. Go get the demo and try it for yourself to see if it's your cup of tea. Probably time to close this thread as there is nothing valuable to be said here at this point and is becoming a waste of space.

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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2678212
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Why do anybody need to talk about anything at all? Existence is enough. Just delete everything or better just shut the universe up!


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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: CyberGene] #2678217
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Why do anybody need to talk about anything at all? Existence is enough. Just delete everything or better just shut the universe up!


I guess it's time to unleash your inner solipsist smile


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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2678228
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Listening to Jim Carrey's recent ramblings, I think he'd enjoy the direction this thread is taking. smile

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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2678232
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This has become a terrible thread unfortunately. It is a disservice to the folks at PianoTeq and I know we can do better at PianoWorld

Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: newer player] #2678263
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Originally Posted by newer player
This has become a terrible thread unfortunately. It is a disservice to the folks at PianoTeq and I know we can do better at PianoWorld


You mean you know we can praise the product a whole lot more?! Unbelievable....

And BTW, we're not here to service the needs of the "folks at PianoTeq".


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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: EssBrace] #2678302
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Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by newer player
This has become a terrible thread unfortunately. It is a disservice to the folks at PianoTeq and I know we can do better at PianoWorld


You mean you know we can praise the product a whole lot more?! Unbelievable....

And BTW, we're not here to service the needs of the "folks at PianoTeq".


Because if anybody here had any constructive suggestions or criticism for the Pianoteq people it would get lost in page after page of tit-for-tat from people trying to see how close they can get to abusive without actually getting banned?

Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2678305
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Out of the last 14 posts only 2 have been on Pianowhateveritis you're supposed to be talking about.

Is anyone actually interested in this topic?

If so, why not try talking about the topic.

If you disagree, then be civil about it. If you can't disagree and be civil at the same time, perhaps it would be better to refrain from posting.


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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: bsntn99] #2678333
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Originally Posted by bsntn99
. . . . Go get the demo and try it for yourself to see if it's your cup of tea. Probably time to close this thread as there is nothing valuable to be said here at this point and is becoming a waste of space.


+1.


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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Charles Cohen] #2678336
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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
Originally Posted by bsntn99
. . . . Go get the demo and try it for yourself to see if it's your cup of tea. Probably time to close this thread as there is nothing valuable to be said here at this point and is becoming a waste of space.


+1.




I agree, but really, there's just been so much backlash on closing threads today and I'm not prepared to do it again.

Just behave yourselves and act like grown ups who know how to conduct a civilized conversation - I'm sure you're all more than capable of it.

Make an effort for goodness sake.


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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2678376
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Message for pianoteq team.
I know a large part of the work is to tune engine for every piano to be modelled, with a set of reference data (samples and "Fourrier transform" paraemters).
Did the team consider to use AI (machine learning / neural network) to converge toward target signature ?

Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2678450
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Oh. My. Goodness. Been gone a few days and went back to this (one of my favorite threads) looking for more info on Pianoteq 6. But this thread is a train wreck... frown


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I only read the last 20 pages or so, but the thread was fine until people started needlessly reporting each other and the moderator started in with the threats. None of that was justified in my opinion. PianoTeq has always been and will always be polarizing, so heated comments are to be expected and tolerated.

I have always loved the concept of PianoTeq and have been eager for it to be great with every release. I also really like how thoughtful their UI design is and how playable and responsive the product is. The company really listens to feedback and always tries to improve the product (unlike sampled VST's, which don't seem to bother to fix simple bugs). I currently own PT version 4 but the timbre is just too grating for me to use. I was going to upgrade to 5 but after hearing some online demos I realized it suffered from the same timbral problem. Earlier versions of PianoTeq were very metallic and electronic. PianoTeq responded by dampening the metal out, but that made the pianos sound dead. There's a point between those where it is neither very dead nor very metallic, but it still doesn't sound great. Or hasn't in the past.

I will almost certainly buy version 6 because the upgrade cost just isn't that high. I'm not sure how hard the mathematics of "pleasing, natural sound" are, but if each version gets better (and my hearing gets worse over time) eventually I will be able to tolerate the timbre. That will be a good day. I actually envy the people who can enjoy PianoTeq. It is a very fine piece of software in every way except for the sound it produces. frown

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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2678469
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I started at the end of version 4, and I quickly got turned off. I got version 5, and I liked it for a year, but I started hearing artifacts that displeased me. Now with version 6, I really, really love this software. It is very soulful.

At the Pianoteq forum, there is - and it's not very scientific - someone who records with their cell phone the Steinway D next to his mom's Steinway M. You can really hear the same signature in the sound, and the person says that the similarity is just as pronounced in person.

On Youtube there is a clip of someone playing a Chopin Nocturne comparing a real Steinway with Pianoteq Steinway D, and I think that Pianoteq comes off as somewhat artificial in the comparison. At some point, I hope someone does that comparison again with Pianoteq 6.

Below this Youtube video among the comments is one by the owner of a Grotrian and the Pianoteq Grotrian. The Grotrian was the last piano to come out in Pianoteq 5, and most would say that, up to the then, it had the best modeling technology. Here is what he had to comment on the real vs. Pianoteq Steinway comparison:

"I happen to use Pianoteq 5 next to a great sounding Grotrian Steinweg 80 year old grand piano. I have listened to the comparisons in this series, but they are quite useless in my opinion. Pianoteq sounds much better than in
these weird sounding comparisons. Of course Pianoteq needs good equipment and fine tuning (not just real tuning) to produce the best results, but with a bit of effort it can sound amazing and play with realistic touch and
sound response. Many visitors that listen to both pianos are blown away by Pianoteq. Comparing over Youtube probably has its limitations, but I still have the feeling this one is done badly."

So here you have someone who plays the real Grotrian Steinweg next to the Pianoteq Grotrian and people are blown away by how similar Pianoteq sounds. Did I mention that they got endorsed by Grotrian to use their name?

Also, at the Pianoteq forum, there are quite a few people who tune pianos, and while some have expressed limitations that they see in the latest version, they seem to be very excited with Pianoteq.

Pianoteq is not for everyone, but there are definitely people who are around real pianos night and day who love it.

As much as I love it, I got to agree with those who hate it: Don't buy until you play the demo.

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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: Pete14] #2678518
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Re: Pianoteq 6! [Re: gvfarns] #2678540
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Originally Posted by gvfarns
I actually envy the people who can enjoy PianoTeq. It is a very fine piece of software in every way except for the sound it produces. frown


Originally Posted by Beakybird
I started at the end of version 4, and I quickly got turned off. I got version 5, and I liked it for a year, but I started hearing artifacts that displeased me. Now with version 6, I really, really love this software. It is very soulful.

Pianoteq is not for everyone, but there are definitely people who are around real pianos night and day who love it.

As much as I love it, I got to agree with those who hate it: Don't buy until you play the demo.


I'm going to quit griping about it until I've tried it. And all being well I'm going to give the free trial a go over the next couple of days. The demos are so contradictory. Some sound truly awful to me, others sound far better and very promising.


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Don't forget to twiddle with the condition slider. For many, mild imperfections bring a virtual piano to life.


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And make sure to do the keyboard calibration for every modeled Pianoteq piano/keyboard. It makes a difference to how each instrument feels. If your keyboard supports 'note off velocity', Pianoteq will use it for an important but subtle effect.


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Thanks for the advice chaps, will do. I think my piano does support key off velocity. I'm home alone tomorrow all day so I'm going to give it go.


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I've just spent an hour on the trial version. The shut down at 20 min intervals is a nuisance but the silent notes absolutely do my head in!

It has been a very interesting experience; some very nice things like playing softly in the bass area of the Grotrian where there is something truly beautiful about it. Somewhat nasty elements too like some of the mid range notes on the Steinway B that just seem to be tuneful popping sounds to my ears, not much like a hammer strike in a piano at all.

It's a mixed bag.

I'm mulling it over. Looks like I'd get the Stage version (which would include the Steinway D and the K2) plus one more instrument such as the Bluthner or Grotrian for example for £150. I'd use it I think. But I'm not 100% sure. I wouldn't spend any more than is absolutely necessary at this stage because I don't know whether I'd use it lots of the time.

Afterwards, I played the native (sampled) sound on my DP, which I was using as controller, and it was a revealing experience going back to it. Better in some respects, worse in others. Sonically better (more realistic) in certain ways but the resonances and sustain of PT are quite a bit better (and my DP is better than most in that regard in my opinion).

I owned a Roland FP90 for a few days a couple of weeks ago which was returned due to a bad keyboard. I'd say PT is significantly more versatile than the Roland. I expected PT to be cold and soulless but, admittedly just after an hour of fiddling with it, I'd say that's not the case at all; there's heaps of character (not all good though!). But the Roland is very generic sounding and lacks depth compared to PT. Boring, in other words. I was glad the keys were so noisy so I could send it back!

Will see how it settles on my mind over the rest of the day....


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