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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: M.C. van der Kooij] #2667316
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Originally Posted by M.C. van der Kooij
It would be nice to have a DP that can be played silently for other people in the room...


Never going to happen. Piano actions are complex machines with numerous moving parts. For the movement to feel piano-like that movement needs a positive stop at both ends (if you get my meaning). This means noise. Inevitably.

I have no experience of the ES110 but my experience of other Kawai DPs is that they tend to be on the quiet side compared to most other makes.


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Originally Posted by M.C. van der Kooij

Another thing that is anoying is the sound of the keys itself, you can clearly hear me play when I use the headphones. Is that normal for DP's? Or are the keys of the ES110 a bit louder than other piano's? It would be nice to have a DP that can be played silently for other people in the room, not only silent for the neighbours :-)

I tried other pianos with a similar price tag in the shop and ES-110 had the loudest key noise. KDP-90 with Kawai's previous budget action AHA IV was a bit less noisy, and Roland FP-30 was almost silent in comparison.
Key rattle of ES-110 was the only reason I returned mine to the dealer. The Kawai ES-110 they had on display had the same rattle.

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Originally Posted by JoniD
Originally Posted by M.C. van der Kooij

Another thing that is anoying is the sound of the keys itself, you can clearly hear me play when I use the headphones. Is that normal for DP's? Or are the keys of the ES110 a bit louder than other piano's? It would be nice to have a DP that can be played silently for other people in the room, not only silent for the neighbours :-)

I tried other pianos with a similar price tag in the shop and ES-110 had the loudest key noise. KDP-90 with Kawai's previous budget action AHA IV was a bit less noisy, and Roland FP-30 was almost silent in comparison.
Key rattle of ES-110 was the only reason I returned mine to the dealer. The Kawai ES-110 they had on display had the same rattle.


What dp did you end up getting a fp30?


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Key noise doesn't bother me on my ES110, it just doesn't seem that noisy to me.

I've had new Yamaha P series pianos that were extremely quiet, and older P's that were very noisy, likewise a Nord Electro 3 HP that drove me nuts it was so noisy, but the ES110 seems to me to be fairly quiet and unobtrusive, meaning it doesn't distract me from music making.


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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: musicman100] #2667391
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Originally Posted by musicman100

What dp did you end up getting a fp30?

Yes, I went back home with Roland fp30. At last, nothing distracts me from playing.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: M.C. van der Kooij] #2667762
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The huge difference on headphones and by integrated speakers is pretty normal for digital pianos with no or with mininalistic cabinet.
I have compared Roland F130R and RP401R some years ago. On the headphones I could not hear any difference. With integrated speakers, the difference was huge.


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
The overall weight reduction is largely due to the new 'RH Compact' action, which is 70% lighter than the AHA IV-F action utilised by the ES100

Kawai James You said earlier that RH Compact action in ES-110 is 70% lighter than AHA IV action in ES-100. Was the weight of the hammers also reduced ?


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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: JoniD] #2668187
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Originally Posted by JoniD
Kawai James You said earlier that RH Compact action in ES-110 is 70% lighter than AHA IV action in ES-100. Was the weight of the hammers also reduced ?


The physical (i.e. material) weight of the hammers may well have been reduced, however I'm afraid I do not have any specific information to support this assumption. The touch weight (the part that matters) should feel more realistic, and closer to that of an acoustic grand piano.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James

The physical (i.e. material) weight of the hammers may well have been reduced, however I'm afraid I do not have any specific information to support this assumption. The touch weight (the part that matters) should feel more realistic, and closer to that of an acoustic grand piano.

I really liked the action but the key clunking and rattling became absolutely unbearable. That's a shame that Kawai offers improved touch feeling at the cost of drop in quality.


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I don't believe quality has dropped, perhaps you simply received a defective unit?

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
I don't believe quality has dropped, perhaps you simply received a defective unit?

When I returned it to the dealer we tried the one they had on display and it also rattled.
As far as I know I'm not the only one to complain about it.

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Okay, thank you for the feedback JoniD.

I will pass this on to my colleagues in Indonesia.

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Hello there, new to PW! Long time lurker, finally decide to contribute and become part of the fam. Great forums!

Just wondering is anyone still having issues with the key noise and spacing?

I finally bit the bullet and ordered myself a Kawai ES110 last Wednesday. Should receive it on Mon, pretty excited as I can finally play at late nights (currently have a studio/console upright). Hoping there are no issues with the keys.


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Hi just got an es110 second hand off ebay got it yesterday. No problem with main with spacing or key noise. Sometime i think people want perfection!!. There will always be some noise with weighted keys!!

Enjoy your keyboard. I am enjoying mine I love the sound of it!!


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hi just a quick question james how do you do an update on the es110 if it needed one? Over bluetooth midi?


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hi just a quick question james how do you do an update on the es110 if it needed one? Over bluetooth midi?

By playing a MIDI file through the serial MIDI IN port. However only Kawai technicians are authorized to do this kind of update.


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Yes the Bluetooth works fine on es 110. Long as you use the app itself settings for Bluetooth to connect . Need to connect through app itself. There is a blumidi app that automatically connects the other apps. I use that and virtual technician, garage band, SuperScore, and any others will automatically connect.

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Update: Received my ES110 yesterday. Hooked it up to studio monitors and off she goes. Very happy with it, no key noise or spacing issues. Love the sound and the pedal that came with it. Miles ahead in comparison to my old SP170s.

The touch is light compared to my acoustic (which has a heavy touch anyway) but I like the key return speed. The keys feel very much similar to my mum's Kawai us65. If I have to nitpick I noticed that when you hit the key all the way down there's a slight bounce, though it doesn't seem to affect play. In my opinion a good buy for its price esp if you have a set of nice monitors.


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Well, I managed to sell my ES-100 and buy the ES-110 in the summer. I have had the ES-100 for 2 years and now I'm with ES-110 for about 2 months. I have not yet done a live or a rehearsal so I can't confirm the action in "demanding" situations but I'm happy with it in home studying.

The action is a little bit on the stiffer side. I think that the velocity response is better, you can play more quiet and more loud that the ES-100. The key mechanism is a bit louder upon key release but I don't really mind. The spacing is pretty good, better than the ES-100.
With Regard to the action response, I feel that if I play quite gently it's a bit lighter, I mean that the key press on the top side is light, but when pressing hard you reach a hardest and stiffer end, which leads you to a harder/stiffer response. I'm not really used to it, so I finally ending myself putting force not really required.

The whole keyboard weight reduction is excellent! The Leslie on/off effect a big plus. Also line outs are a huge must! I have not yet tested the bluetooth. The speakers are definitely looking downwards, as on ES-100, but I feel that ES-100 had just a bit better sound from the build-in speakers. I think that Kawai did a lot of improvements regarding live use players and I'm really happy with it.

Ending my short review, when I first opened the box of my ES-110 in the shop (official seller) just to check the keyboard, there was a sticky note! The seller proposed me to go directly to the official service, which I did, where they opened the keyboard and fixed it. It was something like a wrong placement on a wire that was preventing one key's movement. I was ok after an hour.

So, I'm asking Kawai James... do they make last minute tests after assembling the keyboard? I think that Kawai should have at least play every note for one (or lets say 10) times before packaging. I know kurzweil tests every single keyboard with an automatic machine for let's say a 1000 press per key, is that a difficult process?

With Regards,
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Also, there has been a small improvement on the casing, the front-face bottom part has a better angle which give a little more space at the feet. I'm a short person and kawai's overall height does not help me because I have to put it on a higher stand position which doesn't fit my arm well. Something has to be done for the bottom casing. I don't have problem with increasing the upper structure so they can try to put speakers and electronics over the keybed and not under, as this will decrease the height between keys and bottom, as of most of the synths or workstations...


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