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Advice on next piece #2675056
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Hi I am looking for advice for my next piece.

My teacher recommends bhrams rhapsody number 2.

I think it is too much of a challenge at the moment.

Has anyone got any good recommendations ?

I tend to play mendelssohn, beethoven, grieg, listz.

I want to avoid chopin as I start pieces by him but then get bored with the music.

Any recommendations ?

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I do listen and will play it but the rhapsody I think it is too hard a piece for me at the moment so wanted to wait a few months until I attempt it.

It is a also a very long piece so it will probably take me at least 4 months to learn it well, so a bit scary atm.

I normally have 2 pieces on the go at the moment so am looking for new pieces to play.

Any pieces that may help me get skills for the rhapsody would be good.







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Originally Posted by Moo :)

Any pieces that may help me get skills for the rhapsody would be good.







As you like Grieg, how about his Piano Sonata?

It has many big chords and octaves like the Brahms, but not 'heavy' like that bearded chappie wink , and more airy with hints of fresh Nordic air. Look at the second movement first. (It's always best to start slow).

Alternatively, there's Edvard's famous Wedding day at Troldhaugen which is real fun to play and will impress your friends (& foes) at parties....


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Re: Advice on next piece [Re: Moo :)] #2675088
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Thank you.

I do like the piano sonata. But I want to try the 3rd movement.

Did Grieg only write one piano sonata ?

What a lazybones.

Thanks :p

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Difficult to make recommendations without knowing the pieces you currently play.

The Brahms may not be as difficult as you seem to think it is..

Just curious - which specific pieces by Chopin do you find boring?

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Re: Advice on next piece [Re: Moo :)] #2675095
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i have recorded the pieces i've played.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX1AZRfgfgo1hKcWnUJ4B3g

i start enthusiastically but quickly get bored with all the chopin.

the one from the pianist, i completely hate it now.

so please no more chopin recommendations for moo.

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Ask your teacher for 5 or more possibilities and then listen to them on YT and choose the one you like the best. There are literally tens of thousands of possibilities and random suggestions from people you don't know and who don't know you are not nearly as good as working with your teacher to find a piece.

The Grieg Sonata, unless you just play the second movement, is longer and harder than the Brahms Rhapsody.

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I don't quite understand the logic of your decisions.

First: you say that the Brahms G minor Rhapsody is too much of a challenge, in part because it is too long, and yet you are thinking of trying the Grieg Sonata which is longer and more difficult.

Second: Your teacher makes one recommendation which you do not like, and so you come to a forum of strangers for other suggestions. It would seem to me more logical to tell your teacher you don't want to work on the Brahms and ask for other suggestions. While we can make all kinds of suggestions which you may or may not like, only your teacher really knows what might be better or best for you. Why not use that resource since you are paying your teacher for guidance?

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These kinds of threads are extremely silly. Asking for repertoire suggestions without giving any other information is like asking what piece of furniture to buy. The question makes no sense because it does not narrow the field nearly enough to make it possible for someone to address it in a helpful way.


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Does it really take three people in a row to say they don't like this type of post? When I think of everything that's been posted on these forums, this is far from the silliest. Just think about it for a minute

Yes, your teacher should be your ultimate resource for looking at new pieces, but more than once I have found something that I've heard, that I'd like to play and that my teacher is not aware of but is delighted that I discovered. Before anyone asks the question, yes she is highly credentialed.

The OP has listed several composers he is particularly interested in. Surely, that is something to work with. ... if not, Why not just go read a different post if you can't offer help?


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Originally Posted by dogperson
Does it really take three people in a row to say they don't like this type of post? When I think of everything that's been posted on these forums, this is far from the silliest. Just think about it for a minute

Yes, your teacher should be your ultimate resource for looking at new pieces, but more than once I have found something that I've heard, that I'd like to play and that my teacher is not aware of but is delighted that I discovered. Before anyone asks the question, yes she is highly credentialed.

The OP has listed several composers he is particularly interested in. Surely, that is something to work with. ... if not, Why not just go read a different post if you can't offer help?


True, but give the regulars a break. It's tiring to answer the same question over and over again. It would also be rather sad if the OP felt they were being ignored because everyone just up and decided that the question wasn't worth answering.

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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Asking for repertoire suggestions without giving any other information is like asking what piece of furniture to buy.

But that's not hard!!

Even without knowing anything about anybody, I'd recommend this:

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
i have recorded the pieces i've played.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX1AZRfgfgo1hKcWnUJ4B3g

i start enthusiastically but quickly get bored with all the chopin.

the one from the pianist, i completely hate it now.

so please no more chopin recommendations for moo.


Thanks for sharing these !!

I know you said "no more Chopin" - but you should consider sinking your teeth into this one.

Looks more difficult than it really is - has a lot of passion - and it's quite short !! smile

Chopin - Prelude No. 22 in g minor Opus 28

https://youtu.be/ejUG_nAEQKM








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As a PW forummer, mine is not to reason why people ask questions cool. After all, I've asked questions in other (non-music) forums which I'm pretty sure the regulars there considered pretty silly, but had still taken the trouble to answer...

As for repertoire suggestions, I've picked up lots of ideas from this forum over the years from others, though I don't think I've actually asked such questions myself. In fact, two of the pieces in my current rep came from them - a hint to have another look at pieces that I'd previously considered not to my taste (read: unplayable by me wink ). And many of those ideas came from responses to generic questions similar to the OP's, rather than specific questions like: "What impressive piece should I play by Ravel which is more difficult than Islamey (which is too easy for me)?" ha

In my student days, I never suggested rep to my teachers - they chose all the pieces they wanted me to learn, and I learnt them. (Mine was not to ask why - they knew more than me). Some I liked, others I didn't. But I learnt something from all of them....even if it's only to discover new revelations, like 'wrong' notes can sound right if you play & hear the wrong notes often enough, and if you play the wrong notes as if they were right grin (I leave you to guess the composer and the piece).

I simply just led a double life as a piano student - I learnt & played pieces that I 'discovered' by sight-reading through volumes of scores from the school music library, which my teacher never knew about. It never occurred to me to tell her - that would take the fun out of self-discovery, and (horror!) I might even have to play them 'properly' cry if she chose to teach me those pieces (rather than the way I wanted to play them for myself.....).


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In his initial post, the OP said that he tends to play Mendelssohn, Beethoven, Grieg and Liszt. Obviously not enough info for us to go on.

I suggested that the OP provide a list of his current repertoire. He did better than that by providing a link to his youtube recordings.

Based on those recordings, I don't think the OP would have much trouble learning the Brahms Rhapsody- even though he thinks it might be too difficult for him and is concerned about how long it might take him to master it.

I would agree with his teacher. The Brahms Rhapsody would be a logical "next piece.'


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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Asking for repertoire suggestions without giving any other information is like asking what piece of furniture to buy.

But that's not hard!!

Even without knowing anything about anybody, I'd recommend this:

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You're right about that!

But, I can think of some other placements for the lights. blush


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Originally Posted by Carey
In his initial post, the OP said that he tends to play Mendelssohn, Beethoven, Grieg and Liszt. Obviously not enough info for us to go on.

I suggested that the OP provide a list of his current repertoire. He did better than that by providing a link to his youtube recordings.

Based on those recordings, I don't think the OP would have much trouble learning the Brahms Rhapsody- even though he thinks it might be too difficult for him and is concerned about how long it might take him to master it.

I would agree with his teacher. The Brahms Rhapsody would be a logical "next piece.'




Carey. Thank you for this. I thought it was too hard a piece but I appreciate that you have listen to what I've played and think it is doable. I've just being doing 2 medium-hard level pieces together so I was a bit weary of taking on a project. I once played a very hard piece and after about 6 months we decided it was time to move on as perfecting it would not be useful. My current plan is to do the brahms (which i think may take me 4-6 months) and for the 2nd piece have some smaller projects that I could do in 1-2 months. I don't much like chopin, I seem to get bored with it. I think I will leave grieg concerto as the next bit project after the brahms. Maybe i'll leave it there, people are taking the [censored], I'll ask my teacher next time.

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
I think I will leave grieg concerto as the next bit project after the brahms.
Most pianists never reach the point where the Grieg concerto is a good choice. It is certainly not appropriate as the next project after the Brahms!

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by Moo :)
I think I will leave grieg concerto as the next bit project after the brahms.
Most pianists never reach the point where the Grieg concerto is a good choice. It is certainly not appropriate as the next project after the Brahms!
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Moo:],,,,

Have you played any short works by Bach, Schubert or Schumann?


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A sonata that morphed into a concerto?

Well, yes - Wolfie showed us how....... thumb


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Moo:],,,,

Have you played any short works by Bach, Schubert or Schumann?



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I am playing this one at the moment by schubert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOL-ovAKgGg

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
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Have you played any short works by Bach, Schubert or Schumann?



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I am playing this one at the moment by schubert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOL-ovAKgGg


Funny - I was going to suggest that specific work for you to consider !! ha


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I have been learning the brahms for 2 months now.

Thank you for the encouragement.

Here is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=Q7SrW6em0eo

My teacher has told me to work on landings on chords but otherwise I'm not too sure what to work on.

If anyone has any tips I would be grateful.

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I haven't listened to/watched the whole video yet, but there are a couple of things that come immediately to the fore on the first couple of pages:
- try to develop your phrases into lines that are going somewhere; at the moment I am hearing many individual notes but not a clear sense of where phrases are heading, nor where they begin or end.
- play/practice only as fast as you can play the parts that are the most difficult for you. The result, currently, is that your tempo is not steady because you slow down when the going gets more challenging and then you speed up when the passage gets easier.
- I don't particularly like the heavy accent on the first chord in measures 14 and 15. While there is a hairpin cresc. then decresc. from the end of measure 13 into 14, I don't think that that implies a heavy accent on the first chord of the next measure.
- Practice the measures with the dotted-eighth plus sixteenth in the left hand without pedal. One should be able to hear the sixteenth-note in the left hand after the last right-hand triplet note. It's a bit muddy and uncertain in this run-through.
- Decide when and where your main interest lies in the right hand or the left hand. Even when the melody is obviously in the right hand, you need to separate the melody from the accompaniment. In other words, the accompaniment often has to be softer. Right now, you need to think about that and adjust the balance accordingly. Without that balance, the playing is not as musical nor as lyrical as (I think) it should be.

Eventually, when you can bring this up to tempo, it will need to have more of a flow, and that reflects back to what I wrote about phrasing. Even then, one phrase has to build or fall from the previous phrase, so that there is not only good individual phrasing but a sense of the structure of the whole.

If I have time, I will listen to the entire video and offer more comments, if you like.

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thank you bruce very helpful.

it is still in development so i'm still working on the notes in places but your tips were very helpful.

"I don't particularly like the heavy accent on the first chord in measures 14 and 15."

my teacher told me to play it louder, but i guess i'm overdoing it now.

i'm going to change tactics and will focus on the harder sections on the piece so some good tips to think about.

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Don't know what level you are at. Right now I'm working on Beethoven Sonata Op. 49 #2 the first movement. If you ignore the tempo and take it at a slower pace, the piece is quite manageable. There is a lot of repetitions including similar scale runs and ending sections with repeating triplets. My score is printed on 4 pages.

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