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Activities demanding limbs independence. #2674970
09/13/17 11:19 AM
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There are some activities demanding limbs (hands or hands/legs) independence. Such as driving, drumming, computer games etc. Imagine such a situation. We take 2 adult persons, A and B, desiring to learn piano (piano playing, as far as we know, demands limbs independence too). Person A dealt with a lot of mentioned activities through his life. B never dealt. All else being equal, will A have any advantage over B?


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Re: Activities demanding limbs independence. [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2674977
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Yet another angle taken on this mystery. I go to sleep these days thinking about this. To your point, I would think the drummer certainly would have an advantage as they would have a handle on rhythm already.


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Re: Activities demanding limbs independence. [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2674983
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Independence is an ambiguous word... It can hide the fact that in many of those activities you listed, the hands (or hands and legs) do not do their thing without any consideration of what the rest of the body is doing. On the contrary, the kind of independence needed here includes coordination, without merging the parts into one big musical mass (by thinking the score only vertically).
I think the answer to your question depends on the type of music the two pianists want to play. With polyphonic music such as Bach's, where each voice's individuality should be outlined, i think having already practiced the "limbs independence" would especially be a great help. On the other side of the spectrum, there is the repertory for one hand, in which the only independence needed is that of the fingers.

I played drums in my teens, and I think in not only helped me for the independence, but also for some rhythmic difficulties that I had already faced. Unfortunately i cannot go back in time to compare with the person I would have become if I had never played drums wink

When my first piano teacher told me that she was going to pass her driving license, I had a similar thought on the reverse, and told her that it should be easy for her, since she already had three pedals under her feet most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Fouyaut


When my first piano teacher told me that she was going to pass her driving license, I had a similar thought on the reverse, and told her that it should be easy for her, since she already had three pedals under her feet most of the time.


Hmm... my teacher told me she passed her driving license exam on the first try (and it was with manual transmission - over 60% of cars in our country are still with manual transmission). Usually, only 10% of students in driving schools need only one attempt to pass exam. Others need 2 attempts or more. So, may be, her piano experience really helped her)


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Re: Activities demanding limbs independence. [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2675070
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Perhaps a better word is "interdependence" -- coordination is required.


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Re: Activities demanding limbs independence. [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2675097
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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33


Hmm... my teacher told me she passed her driving license exam on the first try (and it was with manual transmission - over 60% of cars in our country are still with manual transmission). Usually, only 10% of students in driving schools need only one attempt to pass exam. Others need 2 attempts or more. So, may be, her piano experience really helped her)


You must have good drivers. Everyone here passes on their first attempt and our roads are full of all sorts of crazy!


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Re: Activities demanding limbs independence. [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2675107
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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
There are some activities demanding limbs (hands or hands/legs) independence. Such as driving, drumming, computer games etc. Imagine such a situation. We take 2 adult persons, A and B, desiring to learn piano (piano playing, as far as we know, demands limbs independence too). Person A dealt with a lot of mentioned activities through his life. B never dealt. All else being equal, will A have any advantage over B?


No. None.

The physical is a smaller aspect of playing piano than is mental. The other activities are weighted the other way mostly. If it were true, I would expect athletes to have an advantage as they seem to have all the physical parts working well. But, no they do not.

i think.

Re: Activities demanding limbs independence. [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2675161
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Long, long ago I had a couple years of Dalcroze Eurhythmics, which is aimed at exactly this sort of thing. Did it help? Not sure. All I do now is run. At the time I was playing pipe organ. I have noticed that the extra coordination required to operate the pedals and the keyboards doesn't translate into better keyboard playing when one leaves the pedals out. It's more like driving stick shift: you either get it or you don't. (On the other hand, I learned to drive stick shift in my 40s, and when people asked how I managed to learn so late and so fast, I'd say, "Well, I used to play pipe organ and the car only has three pedals...")

So I'd say the best way to get better at piano is work on the piano. The only thing I've done otherwise that's translated into piano was this: When I played guitar for a little while my left hand got stronger, and my left hand playing on the piano improved. Unfortunately I wasn't able to spend as much time on guitar as I wanted, so my music time went back to piano-only.

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Re: Activities demanding limbs independence. [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2675167
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I don't think there are any benefits, or if there are, very little, for people who do activities that require left-right hand independency to playing the piano.

For piano, independent to a point. While they need to have certain independency for playing different notes on different keys at different time, perhaps with different touch for different tones and dynamics, I see my left hand as a mirror image of my right hand on the keyboard. They do similar things but in coordination.

On the other hand, instruments like the violin requires a lot more independence. Both hands and arms are doing completely different things. The left hand is in charge of pitch (with the exception of left hand pizzicato), while the right hand is in charge of actually producing the sound, tones and dynamics. They do completely different things but also in coordination.

I suppose the reason behind asking this question is that you want to gain skills in hands independency. The most straight forward way to practise for this is to practise with separate hands. Do not underestimate the benefits of practising with separate hands.



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