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Is there a G in Haydn's Variations in F minor, m. 36 ? #2674321
09/10/17 06:33 PM
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Hello to all members,
I'm beginning to learn Haydn's variations in F minor, but I'm not sure if I took the right edition (I ordered it at the local music sheet store without indicating any preference, and they got me the one published by Schott)

I have a question in particular about measure 36, first of the 2 times : at the end of the ascending and descending arpeggio, there's a G in my edition. That makes sense because it is the root note of the dominant seventh of C major, which is the key of the passage.
But as I checked for other editions on imslp, each of the 3 ones that I downloaded had a F instead.

When I saw that I thought my version was wrong because of the uniformity that I found elsewhere.
My teacher told me to listen to interpretations to figure out which edition is right. But it's hard to distinguish that very short note. To my ears, Zhu Xiao Mei plays a G, and so does Brendel. Paul Baruda-Skoda is too fast for me to be sure which note he plays...

If someone has any idea of how to settle that matter, I'd be grateful to him !

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Re: Is there a G in Haydn's Variations in F minor, m. 36 ? [Re: Fouyaut] #2674332
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I hear a F in that arpeggio from Pletnev, Brendel, Badura-Skoda, Zacharias and Larrocha.

I don't have my own score, but I suspect there might be a misprint in your score based on the fact that in bar 32, the descending C, A goes to G before reaching F. Also, F makes more sense in terms of the harmonic progression of that passage (look at the LH notes).


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Re: Is there a G in Haydn's Variations in F minor, m. 36 ? [Re: Fouyaut] #2674335
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The last note of the 7-note arpeggio figure is G in the Henle edition. This makes sense for the reason you mention and also would be easier to play as the next note on beat two is an F.

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Re: Is there a G in Haydn's Variations in F minor, m. 36 ? [Re: BruceD] #2674344
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Originally Posted by BruceD
The last note of the 7-note arpeggio figure is G in the Henle edition. This makes sense for the reason you mention and also would be easier to play as the next note on beat two is an F.

Regards,

I misunderstood the OP (I thought he meant the first note of the two played with the LH D) - that's right, it should be a G at the end of the arpeggio. None of the pianists play a repeated F.


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Re: Is there a G in Haydn's Variations in F minor, m. 36 ? [Re: Fouyaut] #2674387
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Thank you, bennevis and Bruce.

My english is rusted, I should have written "bar 36" in place of "measure 36" and by "first of the two times" I meant "beat one". I was indeed trying to refer to the very last note of beat one, the seventh note of the arpeggio, on right hand, I should have made it more clear.

With what you said I'm inclined to believe that both Paderewski and Lebert made the same mistake in their edition ? Funny coïncidence... Is it mentioned in the edition notes of your Henle version, Bruce ?
Is there a feature in Imslp to warn the users about that mistake (the three versions with a repeated F were downloaded about 10k times each) ?

I agree with you, it is easier to play a G before landing on the quaver F, even if that changes the shape of the arpeggio slightly compared to the preceding.

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Re: Is there a G in Haydn's Variations in F minor, m. 36 ? [Re: Fouyaut] #2674452
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Fouyaut:

Speaking of music terms used in English, both "bar" and "measure" are acceptably interchangeable terms, so the use of either will be found throughout these forums (fora?).

Henle's edition makes no mention of the discrepancy between what you have found and what Henle has printed.

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