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Mason&Hamlin model A 1991 versus Yamaha c3x 2008 #2673968
09/09/17 11:43 AM
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Hello, I'm really new from this forum. I'm planning purchase a grand piano. My budget is between 12k-15k USD. I'm most interested in two pianos: one is M&H model A used condition (1991) and yamaha C3x used condition (2008) on online store. I have no chance to play it. I'd like to ask you all about these 2 brands.
1- Is M&H in this early 1991 worth to buy? Or M&H in golden era 1900 is much better than younger M&H?
2- Between M&H model A and Yamaha C3X, which one is better in term of tone and touch?
3- Are there any brand do you suggest me in my budget range?
In my taste, I like a light touch keyweight because I have owned a Kawai KG3D and I don't like their touch because it seems so heavy. Thanks everyone who answer to my question based on experiences. I appreciate your answer in details.

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Re: Mason&Hamlin model A 1991 versus Yamaha c3x 2008 [Re: Manil] #2673974
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Originally Posted by Manil
Hello, I'm really new from this forum. I'm planning purchase a grand piano. My budget is between 12k-15k USD. I'm most interested in two pianos: one is M&H model A used condition (1991) and yamaha C3x used condition (2008) on online store. I have no chance to play it. [...]


This gives me considerable concern; you are raising a definite red flag. Used pianos sold in a dealership should not only be played before buying, they should be examined by an independent technician. But buying from an on-line store leaves you at considerable risk, in my opinion. You have no indication of the actual condition of either of these pianos, regardless of what might be posted. So, asking opinion on these two brands is relatively meaningless since, in a used piano, condition is more important than general reputation.

I would strongly suggest that you buy a piano - new or used - that you have played and which, in the case of a used instrument, you have had examined by an independent technician.

Welcome to the forum.

Regards,


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Re: Mason&Hamlin model A 1991 versus Yamaha c3x 2008 [Re: Manil] #2673976
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The questions you are asking are impossible for anyone to answer in a way that is useful. You must try each piano in person. Whatever that piano was when new, it may, or may not be, the same piano today. This is what makes shopping for a piano such an exciting, and frustrating, experience.

With regard to the M&H A, a 1991 model will be from the early period of the "new" post-Aeolian M&H era. some people love these pianos, others hate them. It just points to the need for you to search for the tone and touch that speaks to you.


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Re: Mason&Hamlin model A 1991 versus Yamaha c3x 2008 [Re: Manil] #2673992
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Used piano you can't play or have inspected prior to purchasing = bad idea.
There was no such thing as a Yamaha C3X in 2008. Just the C3.


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Re: Mason&Hamlin model A 1991 versus Yamaha c3x 2008 [Re: terminaldegree] #2673995
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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
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There was no such thing as a Yamaha C3X in 2008. Just the C3.


I believe that this should give the OP some concern about the integrity of the on-line store. A reputable dealer shouldn't make this kind of mistake since, according to what I have read, there are important differences between the older C3 and the newer C3X.

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Re: Mason&Hamlin model A 1991 versus Yamaha c3x 2008 [Re: Manil] #2674047
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Manil , are you considering pianos you're not able to personally play or look at because of severe limitations in your accessible piano market ? if that's your situation and you plan to keep your grand with you for any length of time, your best option might be to budget $$ for a piano shopping expedition. planning well ahead you might be able to inspect a number of candidates in one or two trips. if professional or other obligations necessitate travel of course, consider those as potential opportunities to look at pianos. the other variable of course is the cost of moving any piano you find to purchase. some dealers pay for part or all of the moving for purchases in your projected budget range if overland transport is involved.

Re: Mason&Hamlin model A 1991 versus Yamaha c3x 2008 [Re: BruceD] #2674224
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My first thought:

Originally Posted by terminaldegree

There was no such thing as a Yamaha C3X in 2008. Just the C3.



Either this dealer knows little about this piano (which is a problem) or they are intentionally making it seem like something else (another separate, and more serious problem).

My best advice is to NOT buy a piano that you cannot play, touch, or examine personally. I have personally fully rebuilt pianos for clients who have done that at websites that claimed all sorts of things (trying not to be specific here) but the bottom line is that photos, and even video can be misleading.

I had a client in Colorado who, after speaking with me, bought a Steinway B from another "rebuilder" from a video. After playing it (or trying to play it) for several months, they then shipped the piano to me and paid $25,000.00 to correct the "rebuild".

i hope that helps,





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