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Beakybird,

Have you had any problems with the keyboard on the FP-90?
What additional speakers are you using with the FP-90?

Theodor: thanks for that AcousticSamples recording. I'd have preferred a much slower piece (like how they played in the clip I referenced), but, the A.S sound sounds to me like it's not as bright and clear as my example - I prefer my example by a wide margin. In theory the A.S C7 should be the right type of library to get that sound, because it's probably a C-series in my example, though.

Here's a demo of the EWQLP C7 which has the very clear bright sound that I like and a great stereo image: http://media.soundsonline.com/ip/mp3/2075_Old%20Willow.mp3

Greg.

This quote was CyberGene's, not mine. FWIW, my understanding from reading the Pianoteq user guide is that there are many fundamental parameters of each instrument that are hidden from the user. Due to this, each instrument cannot be tweaked to duplicate another.

Yes, it looks like a C-series, but which Yamaha C-s are baby grands, the C3-s? The YouTube recording is certainly more lush, and rich. I understand running a MIDI through a DAW, and a VSTi, doesn't record the resonances, only the notes, and not how the notes interact. On the other hand, microphones recording live playing, capture every sound coming from the piano, resonances and all. The EWQL C7 sounds very rich, and lush. Very sweet, not as aggressive as the AS C7, probably good for ballads, while the AS is better suited for rock.

Still, I felt some of that steely wiry sound came through in my rendered file from the AS C7. While Pianoteq has advanced leaps and bounds, that vibration, or character, is missing in it. To my ears it sounds flat, at least in Pianoteq Stage. I have found I can get a bit more character in Pianoteq by throwing it out of tune, or moving the Condition slider from Mint, and towards Worn out. Somehow I missed that button all those years, just discovered it a few days ago.

I've asked them which model of Yamaha it is - no reply yet.

Not sure whether you noticed, but I edited my previous reply, adding a link to an example recording from the EWQLP C7: http://media.soundsonline.com/ip/mp3/2075_Old%20Willow.mp3
It's a pretty basic sample library (pedal up & pedal down samples - no sympathetic resonance), but nevertheless sounds to me pretty damn close to the YT example. (not quite as good though) Btw, somehow the word "metallic" has negative connotations with most of us. But, I think the Yamaha most certainly sounds metallic - in a good way.

Greg.

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Greg (sullivang)--
It might be interesting to do a comparison between your East West Quantum Leap Yamaha C7 sampled piano and the Pianoteq 6 Yamaha C5 (YC5). We could both use the same MIDI file, each create an MP3 audio file from it using our respective virtual instruments, and then each post the MP3s we create to a music/sound hosting website for comparison.

Perhaps we could use one of the jazz-piano MIDI files from here http://www.bushgrafts.com/jazz/midi.htm
Your choice, if you're interested.

I would enjoy hearing your MP3 first, because presumably your sampled piano is rather static in fundamental sound character, and I could then try to emulate the sound of your C7 to some extent in Pianoteq for the comparison.

Your East West C7 does have the characteristic bright tone of a Yamaha grand, and so does the Pianoteq version of a similar Yamaha piano. Despite the foreseeable and expected negative opinions and comments of the me-too chorus of critics whose suspect views could be quietly disregarded, I think it might be an interesting exercise. I'm curious, as you may be, how the sounds of the two virtual instruments might compare or differ.

I have PT5 and lucky me I'm eligible for a free upgrade to PT6.
Can anybody share whether I had the de-install PT5 before install PT6?
When I attempt to run the installation file the 1st time, it prompts me to a new folder so I'm not sure whether PT5 will be deleted or left intact.
Thanks for sharing

The PT6 install does not remove PT5.

Pianoteq 6 is growing on me. I don't have experience playing with concert grands, but when I play some of the P6 pianos, my heart says it feels real, but my mind says it doesn't sound real. I'm not convinced, but I'm turned on. My Roland FP90 presets sound too pristine at times and the P6 pianos, it's like each note has its own personality. It's really amazing that these two modeled approaches to piano, Modart and Roland can be so astoundingly different.

I'll keep on playing with Pianoteq.

Oh, I was asked what speakers I'm using. None at this time. I haven't hooked up speakers to my newly repaired PC yet. I'm just using my ATH-M50X headphones.

I still have old versions of Pianoteq. Just in case . . . the newer ones probably use rather more power from the computer. Just save the file to documents or wherever.

I noticed, it's pretty good.

Stephen: sure - I'll pick one of those MIDI files and do a render. Thanks for your time - appreciated.

Greg.

FWIW, here's the EWQLP C7, Player perspective, dry:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_KJzbJLIsl9dFpLVXpUb1pDZ0k/view?usp=sharing

I used this MIDI file: http://www.bushgrafts.com/jazz/Midi%20site/Gymnopedie-It%20Never%20Entered%20My%20Mind.mid

Well, sort of - I had to adjust the timing of the pedal slightly in a few places, because EWQLP doesn't support re-pedalling - some notes sounded staccato when they shouldn't have. Current score: Pianoteq:1 EWQLP:0.

Greg.

Greg-- Did you alter the beats-per-minute tempo of that MIDI file? It plays at a much more relaxed pace on my computer. If you did alter the tempo, what tempo (beats per minute) did you use?

No I didn't - at least not intentionally. I'll look into it. I don't think I'd want it any slower than that though!

Greg

It's OK. I was able to approximate your tempo by increasing the tempo of the MIDI file to about 150%.

Thanks for your EWQLP C7, Player perspective MP3 file. Very nice.

Here is the (unadjusted) Pianoteq YC5 (Yamaha C5 model grand) Player perspective preset, for comparison. (However, to approximate the sound volume and reduced dynamic range of your EWQLP C7 rendering, I had to use an exaggerated veloticy curve that boosted the notes played more softly, and had to normalize the MP3 to maximum volume without clipping.)

http://picosong.com/ww3xJ

Steve

Stephen, Greg

Great, I just don't want to make comparisons between these 2 VPs.


Stephen,

Is it possible for you to download this piece made with the YC5 Home preset, and at the normal tempo?

I had no interest in the YC5 until now, but I just tested it and I think it could become now my everyday Pianoteq instrument.

Are you a long time user of the YC5? If so, what do you think about this new YC5 v6 in comparison to the v5?

Thanks,

SK

@stamkorg --
I never cared for the Pianoteq 5 Yamaha YC5, but I am very impressed with the clarity, realism, detail and nuance of the Pianoteq 6 YC5 (and all the other Pianoteq piano instruments as well, all of which sound very impressive even in their stock form, unaltered by personal configuration preferences).

In Pianoteq 5, I heavily favored the Grotrian Concert Royal, and to a lesser extent the Steinway Model B. I loved the even character of the Steinway D and the lush, rich Bluthner, and the upright reminded me of my beloved Yamaha studio-height upright from years ago, but I did not find those other pianos nearly as convincing or attractive as the Model B and especially the Grotrian.

Now, with Pianoteq 6, I have a hard time choosing and developing a preference for any particular instrument, because all of the pianos sound, in my opinion, very, very good.

I'll hold on for a while, probably build up a raspberry pi system, debug it and by that time MAYBE there will be a December sale or package sale with an instrument I want/like.
Maybe...

Stephen,
would you please say a little more about what you like about Pianoteq 6 Bluethner and Grotrian?
also, do you play mostly using headphones, monitors or both?