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Roland RP-501R digital piano #2671176
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Hi guys
Im planning on getting the Roland rp501r
Anyone here own this
Initially i thought of getting the fp-30 which i really like but
I prefer the look of rp-501r and since the price is still within my budget, so i dont mind spending on this rp-501r
Is this better than yamaha ydp-163?

I want something that feels like a real acoustic piano
Dont really care for the other functions
What's important is the key feel, sound, like a real acoustic piano
Please advise

Thank you

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Re: Roland RP-501R digital piano [Re: Mimicry26] #2671191
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You may want to wait until the new Casio AP270 comes out this September/October. According to Tim Praskins of azpianonews.com, who reviews all of the digital pianos, the sound samples of this new Casio have been upgraded as to surpass the Roland RP501R. The Casio is also much cheaper in price. Check out his review also on the new Casio PX870, which has a different cabinet, smaller plastic pedals, but more speakers and more power for those speakers. The PX870 will be a match for the Casio AP470, which will come out later on.

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. . . According to Tim Praskins of azpianonews.com, who reviews all of the digital pianos, the sound samples of this new Casio have been upgraded as to surpass the Roland RP501R.


And you might want to read the recent discussion (on this Forum) about Tim Praskins, and whether he's trustworthy or not. (I am agnostic on the question.)


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Re: Roland RP-501R digital piano [Re: Mimicry26] #2671247
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I have used his advice a lot and although he does seem a little biased towards Casio, I believe him. With the PX870, all you get for the money, I will definitely be checking it out, maybe as a Christmas present for myself...unless, the AP470 comes out by then!! I had a px160 and it worked fine for my sight reading practice and playing.

Just my two cents. BTW, I did seriously at one time consider the RP401R, which KraftMusic.com has on sale (closeout) and is the identical piano to the 501 except for Bluetooth and different speakers.

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Re: Roland RP-501R digital piano [Re: Mimicry26] #2671449
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Im not interested with casio
I prefer roland, kawai or yamaha

Re: Roland RP-501R digital piano [Re: Mimicry26] #2671454
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Originally Posted by Mimicry26
Im not interested with casio
I prefer roland, kawai or yamaha


You might be interested in Kawai CN27 (or CN25 if you can get it on a good price).


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Re: Roland RP-501R digital piano [Re: Mimicry26] #2671476
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Both are good quality instruments. Give the Yamaha a try.

Re: Roland RP-501R digital piano [Re: Mimicry26] #2671505
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Originally Posted by Mimicry26
Im not interested with casio
I prefer roland, kawai or yamaha


That's cool. If you can, check out Kraft Music's price on the Roland Rp401R. It might be the way to go for you. Heck, I might still get it this Christmas if it is still available at that price! I just want to play on and test the new Casio's first. Good Luck with your decision.

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Originally Posted by tnsettlemo
Originally Posted by Mimicry26
Im not interested with casio
I prefer roland, kawai or yamaha


That's cool. If you can, check out Kraft Music's price on the Roland Rp401R. It might be the way to go for you. Heck, I might still get it this Christmas if it is still available at that price! I just want to play on and test the new Casio's first. Good Luck with your decision.

Hi
I still can't decide between roland rp501r or yamaha ydp163
I just want something that feel, sound, key touch n key action like the real acoustic piano

Re: Roland RP-501R digital piano [Re: Mimicry26] #2671520
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Do you have a real acoustic piano that you play on regularly? How many years of playing the piano do you have? If none, you are asking the wrong questions. Anyone of the pianos you are considering will be more than fine. Do you have a piano teacher or are you thinking about taking lessons? If so, ask your teacher for help.

Re: Roland RP-501R digital piano [Re: Mimicry26] #2671526
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The Roland RP-501R has more features for roughly the same money.

Some (e.g. backing rhytms and extra sounds) are irrelevant as you say you are only interested in piano realism while others are worth considering. Take the more advanced resonance modeling for example. You might also find the Bluetooth connection useful for taking advantage of some iOS/Android apps, in case you have a tablet. And the hammer action's "escapement" in theory at least makes it more like an acoustic grand piano.

Now, somebody else can point out any advantages of the Yamaha. smile

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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
The Roland RP-501R has more features for roughly the same money.

Some (e.g. backing rhytms and extra sounds) are irrelevant as you say you are only interested in piano realism while others are worth considering. Take the more advanced resonance modeling for example. You might also find the Bluetooth connection useful for taking advantage of some iOS/Android apps, in case you have a tablet. And the hammer action's "escapement" in theory at least makes it more like an acoustic grand piano.

Now, somebody else can point out any advantages of the Yamaha. smile


Hi there
From the info that i have gather which im not sure if its important or not:

Roland RP-501R
Pro:
string resonance, escapement ivory feel
Supernatural piano for authentic grand piano tone

Con:
128 polyphony tone compare to yamaha ydp163 : 192 polyphony tone

I read somewhere yamaha ydp-163 doesnt have real hammer action? Is this true?

I want something that feels / sound / key touch/ key action like real acoustic piano
I was able to try yamaha ydp-162 but didnt really like the key touch
Is there a significant improvement on ydp-163?
The key touch for roland rp-501r was good but im not sure about the sound

Will ydp-163 sounds better than roland rp501r because of the higher polyphony
and does the newer ydp-163 have a better key touch than ydp-162?



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Re: Roland RP-501R digital piano [Re: Mimicry26] #2672362
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Played both, here are mine opinion
The Roland has better and more realistic piano sound, to me, especially the bass range, but the high are not as impressive as the Yamaha even though it's still more realistic, but it's sound a litte artificial to some extent, maybe because of the modeling?
The Roland have the let-off in their key action, but it's doesn't feel like a grand at all ._., I tried the HP603 and it's totally different, much more authentic, because of this let-off, the Roland key action feels somewhat sluggish, both up and down, you can feel the let-off even when you play the key heavily, and when the key bounce back(not like a notch when playing sofly, but you can feel it). Normally you can only feel it when you play the key very sofly, and not when the key bounce up, IMHO if you want the let-off, go for more expensive model with better key action, or go for Kawai, their DP's action (RH3 and above) are the best to me, still not like a real grand, but they're the best that I've felt
The Yamaha have sampled sound (with looping and stretching), but it's only the technical side, what matter is how do you feel about it. To me it has vivid and bright sound (taken from Yamaha's grand) which is best suitable to modern music. Also the Yamaha GH3 is quieter, more responsive, playing trills is much more enjoyable as it is not sluggish at all. As let-off can only be found in much more expensive Yamaha model, this action stimulate well Upright acoustic action on my opinion, not like real Upright, but acceptable and enjoyable.
Those are my opinion, but i would go for the Roland if its price are similar to YDP-163, in my country the price of a brand new RP-501 is equal to a CLP-535, in that case, i would go for the Yamaha
Oh, and if i'm not wrong the Roland has more feature, you may want to consider that


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Re: Roland RP-501R digital piano [Re: Mimicry26] #2672907
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I own both the FP-30 and the YDP-163. All opinions are subjective hence why the usual reply is to try them out (if you can) since it will be you that will be playing on whatever model you choose to go with.

As for me, aside any of the extras that the Roland has over the Yamaha, I prefer playing on the FP-30 since the action is lighter which in turn allows me to practice longer. However the YDP163 action is very nice to play on but i get finger fatigue within 45 mins.

Sound wise, both are good and very different at the same time...I like both, the Roland is more metallic and the Yamaha more subtle. If you don't try either chances are you will like what you chose because you won't be aware of the model you didnt choose or you will not like it all. Hence try before you buy...I bought the P115 first without trying it and sold it 3 months later because I didn't like the dynamic range. Not cause it didn't have any but because I couldn't get it to respond the way I liked...again it's all subjective.

Re: Roland RP-501R digital piano [Re: Mimicry26] #2672992
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"I still can't decide between roland rp501r or yamaha ydp163"

I have played both and have owned the Roland. Just my personal preference, but I prefer the action of the Roland. Both have very nice sounds. I think the Roland has a few more options available for the same price. But, to repeat what everyone always says in threads like this, you need to figure out what you like best and what you will be happy with. Both are very nice pianos for the price. Good Luck with your decision.


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Re: Roland RP-501R digital piano [Re: Rosewood17] #2673091
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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
The Roland RP-501R has more features for roughly the same money.

Some (e.g. backing rhytms and extra sounds) are irrelevant as you say you are only interested in piano realism while others are worth considering. Take the more advanced resonance modeling for example. You might also find the Bluetooth connection useful for taking advantage of some iOS/Android apps, in case you have a tablet. And the hammer action's "escapement" in theory at least makes it more like an acoustic grand piano.

Now, somebody else can point out any advantages of the Yamaha. smile

Originally Posted by HoangCosmic
Played both, here are mine opinion
The Roland has better and more realistic piano sound, to me, especially the bass range, but the high are not as impressive as the Yamaha even though it's still more realistic, but it's sound a litte artificial to some extent, maybe because of the modeling?
The Roland have the let-off in their key action, but it's doesn't feel like a grand at all ._., I tried the HP603 and it's totally different, much more authentic, because of this let-off, the Roland key action feels somewhat sluggish, both up and down, you can feel the let-off even when you play the key heavily, and when the key bounce back(not like a notch when playing sofly, but you can feel it). Normally you can only feel it when you play the key very sofly, and not when the key bounce up, IMHO if you want the let-off, go for more expensive model with better key action, or go for Kawai, their DP's action (RH3 and above) are the best to me, still not like a real grand, but they're the best that I've felt
The Yamaha have sampled sound (with looping and stretching), but it's only the technical side, what matter is how do you feel about it. To me it has vivid and bright sound (taken from Yamaha's grand) which is best suitable to modern music. Also the Yamaha GH3 is quieter, more responsive, playing trills is much more enjoyable as it is not sluggish at all. As let-off can only be found in much more expensive Yamaha model, this action stimulate well Upright acoustic action on my opinion, not like real Upright, but acceptable and enjoyable.
Those are my opinion, but i would go for the Roland if its price are similar to YDP-163, in my country the price of a brand new RP-501 is equal to a CLP-535, in that case, i would go for the Yamaha
Oh, and if i'm not wrong the Roland has more feature, you may want to consider that

Originally Posted by Rosewood17

"I still can't decide between roland rp501r or yamaha ydp163"

I have played both and have owned the Roland. Just my personal preference, but I prefer the action of the Roland. Both have very nice sounds. I think the Roland has a few more options available for the same price. But, to repeat what everyone always says in threads like this, you need to figure out what you like best and what you will be happy with. Both are very nice pianos for the price. Good Luck with your decision.




Hi guys
Thank you for your reply
I am only able to try roland fp-30 & rp-501
As i am a beginner i dont really know much about the sound and stuff
But i pretty like the keys, i feel that its quite good compare to my previous casio keyboard

Anyway, at this moment we are considering of getting roland hp605 online because there is no roland store in my country andthis website only offer a one year warranty
But i read on this forum few people experiencing some random shut off problem
Any hp605 user face this problem?
Is it possible to fix the problem ourselves and if possible for roland to send the new part/switch to fix the problem?
Please advise
Thank you

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Originally Posted by Mimicry26
Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
The Roland RP-501R has more features for roughly the same money.

Some (e.g. backing rhytms and extra sounds) are irrelevant as you say you are only interested in piano realism while others are worth considering. Take the more advanced resonance modeling for example. You might also find the Bluetooth connection useful for taking advantage of some iOS/Android apps, in case you have a tablet. And the hammer action's "escapement" in theory at least makes it more like an acoustic grand piano.

Now, somebody else can point out any advantages of the Yamaha. smile

Originally Posted by HoangCosmic
Played both, here are mine opinion
The Roland has better and more realistic piano sound, to me, especially the bass range, but the high are not as impressive as the Yamaha even though it's still more realistic, but it's sound a litte artificial to some extent, maybe because of the modeling?
The Roland have the let-off in their key action, but it's doesn't feel like a grand at all ._., I tried the HP603 and it's totally different, much more authentic, because of this let-off, the Roland key action feels somewhat sluggish, both up and down, you can feel the let-off even when you play the key heavily, and when the key bounce back(not like a notch when playing sofly, but you can feel it). Normally you can only feel it when you play the key very sofly, and not when the key bounce up, IMHO if you want the let-off, go for more expensive model with better key action, or go for Kawai, their DP's action (RH3 and above) are the best to me, still not like a real grand, but they're the best that I've felt
The Yamaha have sampled sound (with looping and stretching), but it's only the technical side, what matter is how do you feel about it. To me it has vivid and bright sound (taken from Yamaha's grand) which is best suitable to modern music. Also the Yamaha GH3 is quieter, more responsive, playing trills is much more enjoyable as it is not sluggish at all. As let-off can only be found in much more expensive Yamaha model, this action stimulate well Upright acoustic action on my opinion, not like real Upright, but acceptable and enjoyable.
Those are my opinion, but i would go for the Roland if its price are similar to YDP-163, in my country the price of a brand new RP-501 is equal to a CLP-535, in that case, i would go for the Yamaha
Oh, and if i'm not wrong the Roland has more feature, you may want to consider that

Originally Posted by Rosewood17

"I still can't decide between roland rp501r or yamaha ydp163"

I have played both and have owned the Roland. Just my personal preference, but I prefer the action of the Roland. Both have very nice sounds. I think the Roland has a few more options available for the same price. But, to repeat what everyone always says in threads like this, you need to figure out what you like best and what you will be happy with. Both are very nice pianos for the price. Good Luck with your decision.




Hi guys
Thank you for your reply
I am only able to try roland fp-30 & rp-501
As i am a beginner i dont really know much about the sound and stuff
But i pretty like the keys, i feel that its quite good compare to my previous casio keyboard

Anyway, at this moment we are considering of getting roland hp605 online because there is no roland store in my country andthis website only offer a one year warranty
But i read on this forum few people experiencing some random shut off problem
Any hp605 user face this problem?
Is it possible to fix the problem ourselves and if possible for roland to send the new part/switch to fix the problem?
Please advise
Thank you


The HP605 is a very nice piano; you will love it. I suggest contacting Roland to ask about the switch. They may have started building them with the newer, more robust switch already.

Only a few of us on the forum have experienced the problem; I don't know if anyone with the HP605 has or not. It may or may not be an issue with the HP605. When you contact Roland, ask about the switch that turns the piano on and off when you open and close the lid.

When the tech came to fix mine, he just had a little kit that Roland had sent him. He said he had never done this repair before, and he is the authorized tech for quite a large region, so it doesn't seem to be that widespread of a problem. He had no trouble doing the repair; took off the back of the piano, took the old one out, and put the new one in. The problem with you doing it yourself I think is that it would probably void your warranty. So it would be better to get one that already has the new switch in it (if the HP504's even have that problem, which they may not). Go to the Roland website and contact them directly; they seem to be very responsive and can probably advise you.

I do not understand your comment about the one-year warranty. The HP605 has a 10-year parts and labor warranty, not a one-year warranty. You will want to purchase from an authorized dealer though. Maybe Roland can help you with that as well.

Let us know what happens. Good luck.


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Re: Roland RP-501R digital piano [Re: Mimicry26] #2673342
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. . . I want something that feels / sound / key touch/ key action like real acoustic piano . . .


There is no digital piano that completely meets that spec. Even the Yamaha Avant Grand's aren't exactly like an acoustic piano.

And acoustic pianos -- each one sounds a little different, and each action is a little different. So there's not a single target for a manufacturer to aim at.

If you're _learning_ to play, you need a DP that comes _reasonably close_ to feeling and sounding like an acoustic. All the DP's you are looking at, meet that criterion.

The Roland HP6xx pianos have "SuperNatural Modelled" sound generators, and PHA50 actions (Roland's newest). IMHO they are really good -- appreciably better[*] than the RP501 or FP-30. [That's an _opinion_, based on some test-playing.]

The "lid switch" is a known problem, but it's not a common problem. If I were in your place, I would contact the nearest Roland distributor (or maybe dealer), and say:

. . . "If I have this problem, will you send me the parts I need to fix it?"

From everything I've read, it's _not_ a difficult, or sophisticated, repair. EIther you can do it, or a piano tech from a local shop can do it -- it it's needed.

[*] "better" = "closer to an acoustic piano"


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