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Re: If you could... [Re: Orange Soda King] #2672830
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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
Originally Posted by argerichfan
I think we should add a new category: composer to get stoned with.

Ah, the possibilities, but for me, Peter Warlock (less musically sounding than Philip Heseltine) is the man! The guy was just out there and reportedly after toking up to Liszt's Vallée d'Obermann, he shouted 'stop!, it is too evocative, I was THERE!'

But sometimes I think a good puff of mellow pot might help one's approach to Liszt. There's so much stuff going on, but if you only listen to his music in the context of his great contemporary Chopin, then you're not going to get it.


For me, Scriabin.


After much thought, I think I'd choose Chabrier, because he was a riot to be around, and getting baked with him would probably be quite memorable.

Other candidates I was considering were Stravinsky (because his verbal wit might undergo an interesting shift), Dvorak (because he was such a lovable fellow), Szymanowski (he knew how to appreciate altered perception), Berlioz (because of his imagination), and Webern (just because I wonder what would happen).

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Re: If you could... [Re: wr] #2672832
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Originally Posted by wr

Szymanowski (he knew how to appreciate altered perception)...


Does that mean what I think it does?


Jason
Re: If you could... [Re: argerichfan] #2672856
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Originally Posted by argerichfan
Originally Posted by wr

Szymanowski (he knew how to appreciate altered perception)...


Does that mean what I think it does?

He wore glasses.

Re: If you could... [Re: JoelW] #2672871
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Originally Posted by JoelW


He wore glasses.

No.


Jason
Re: If you could... [Re: argerichfan] #2672875
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Originally Posted by argerichfan
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He wore glasses.

No.

Maybe he practiced remote viewing, a mental procedure for transferring perceptual information across time and space. It was developed by the United States military and used for espionage purposes.

Re: If you could... [Re: XenondiFluoride] #2672877
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Originally Posted by XenondiFluoride
1) Have a lesson with any composer
Franz Liszt
2) Watch any composer improvise
Art Tatum
3) Be a "fly on the wall" of any composer during the composition of one of their masterpieces
Alkan
4) Eat dinner with any composer
Hamelin
5) Go out on the town with any composer
Liszt


Alkan
Joplin
Alkan
Joplin
Messiaen

Please, people. Paint a picture. Give some reasons!

?


I may not be fast,
but at least I'm slow.
Re: If you could... [Re: argerichfan] #2672922
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Originally Posted by argerichfan
Originally Posted by wr

Szymanowski (he knew how to appreciate altered perception)...


Does that mean what I think it does?


Maybe. Over the years, I've read a lot of recording liner notes, reviews, and articles about him, and it seems to me there have been a good number of passing references to some kind of drug use, but usually nothing very specific (besides alcohol and nicotine, both of which he used to excess). I've read that he had cocaine and morphine with him when he died, but those could have been there because of his illness. Or, maybe not.

And too, there's the music from his middle period. It often suggests altered states that might involve narcotics, to me anyway. It's hard for me to imagine that he could even have written something like the dreamlike ecstatic music of the 1st violin concerto without at least some knowledge of drugs like opium or hashish. But maybe that's just me...I don't know for certain that there is a connection of that kind, only that he apparently was doing something more than cigarettes and alcohol at some time during his life.

Re: If you could... [Re: JoelW] #2673298
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okay I'll explain myself.
1) Have a lesson with any composer
Franz Liszt
2) Watch any composer improvise
Art Tatum
3) Be a "fly on the wall" of any composer during the composition of one of their masterpieces
Alkan
4) Eat dinner with any composer
Hamelin
5) Go out on the town with any composer
Liszt

Liszt was known to gladly offer lessons to anyone he thought he could help, refused to take payment and seriously ruined his health all to teach students. That is some serious passion. He also of course was perhaps the greatest master of the piano ever. (also I would ideally then have a chance to document and thus preserve his unpublished treastie on harmonies of the future)

I feel Tatum has some of the best and most absurd improvisations, but I agree Joplin would likely be great as well.

Alkan's Concerto for Solo piano is in my opinion the greatest work for piano ever written, its texture, demands for technique and featuring of elements from all sorts of music is amazing.

Hamelin is a good composer as well as a pianist, he just strikes me as a really great person, and I can still fantasize that it could actually happen. He seems to have nearly unlimited insight on some very obscure but wonderful works.

Liszt because he got to all the parties (I could never go to one on my own will) and would likely dazzle everyone with his pianistic abilities.


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Re: If you could... [Re: JoelW] #2673443
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Chopin
Chopin
Chopin
Chopin
Chopin

No doubt it would be priceless to do any of those with Alkan, Beethoven or Liszt, but man... Chopin without a second's hesitation.

Re: If you could... [Re: JoelW] #2674023
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