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#2674424 - 09/11/17 08:31 AM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: Rich Galassini]  
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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
Ed A. Hall,

An AMPICO!! Well, that is a really cool instrument. Marc Andre' Hamelin wrote several pieces for such a beast. He hand made the rolls himself!

I hope you are enjoying that system in such a fine piano. Have you learned much about the AMPICOs? I think the most reliable and easily rebuildable of all the reproducers. Is it a style B or A AMPICO system?

(Just curious)


Rich,

Yes, when I saw this piano, I had to have it. I could tell a lot if work had been done to it and it had fabulous tone for being what it was. Fortunately, I had my moving equipment along so I was able to load it up and bring home with me right then. However, it was extremely heavy and even a little on the scary side since I was doing this myself. I would not be surprised if it is heavier than some 9 ft concert grands.

It's an A AMPICO. I imagine that there is much debate on which style is better or preferable.

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#2674431 - 09/11/17 09:08 AM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: Karl Watson]  
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Originally Posted by Karl Watson
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Thank you very much for your last. I'm glad it turned out to be a roll. I didn't want to offend. Just have to say that I think it's the best roll I've ever heard.

The piano is really lovely.

The pictures did NOT come through for me.

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Karl,

Of all the rolls I've got, this is one of my favorites. Many of them, especially the newer ones sound somewhat mechanical / butchered.

Here are the photos again. Hopefully it comes through this time.
The piano measures 6'6" and from my weight lifting barometer, it's extremely heavy. There must have been many variations of this scale 123. They were definitely not one to leave well enough alone. On this one, Chickering made the bass backscale length as long as possible extending the hitch pins all the way to the back of the case and went to a much more traditional action (without brass parts and splayed action).

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#2674463 - 09/11/17 11:18 AM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: Ed A. Hall]  
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Dear Ed A. Hall:

Thank you VERY MUCH for your last.

I can only say WOW !

Bye the bye, I'm not too clear about the two player systems. I know that they are Ampico and Duo-Art.
Who exactly employed which systems ? Is one superior to another ? Which one is it that has the very long key sticks ? The last time I visited Rich's shop, his action man had one of those actions on his bench. Like most things at Cunningham's, you can bet that they managed to get a good result from it, but just how is quite beyond me ! I remember David Stanwood saying that he'd obtained a very satisfactory result from one. There was a small Steinway in my little town in Michigan that I had to play on many occasions during my pre-Philadelphia years. It was too much for me.

Kindest regards,

Karl

#2674635 - 09/12/17 03:53 AM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: Ed A. Hall]  
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Originally Posted by Ed A. Hall

Rich,

Yes, when I saw this piano, I had to have it. I could tell a lot if work had been done to it and it had fabulous tone for being what it was. Fortunately, I had my moving equipment along so I was able to load it up and bring home with me right then. However, it was extremely heavy and even a little on the scary side since I was doing this myself. I would not be surprised if it is heavier than some 9 ft concert grands.

It's an A AMPICO. I imagine that there is much debate on which style is better or preferable.


You...moved it yourself? You must be very strong or very brave. smile


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#2674668 - 09/12/17 07:50 AM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: Rich Galassini]  
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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini


You...moved it yourself? You must be very strong or very brave. smile


When there is a will, there is a way. Yes, some strength but mainly technique, lots of experience and the right equipment. They're just extra heavy and you cannot tip them on the pedals.

#2674672 - 09/12/17 07:54 AM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: Ed A. Hall]  
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Dear Ed:
I should have mentioned that the small S&S piano that I was forced to wrestle on so many occasion as a teen-ager, was a former player, with player action removed. There was a great, empty gap in the thing. I recall that it had those characteristic double legs.
Karl

#2674683 - 09/12/17 08:18 AM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: Ed A. Hall]  
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Originally Posted by Ed A. Hall


When there is a will, there is a way. Yes, some strength but mainly technique, lots of experience and the right equipment. They're just extra heavy and you cannot tip them on the pedals.


The double legs add a little extra concern as well. Moving pianos like this is usually not a "one man show". Bravo to you Ed!


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#2674795 - 09/12/17 05:26 PM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: Duke of Dunning]  
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I tuned a Chickering scale 123 from 1906 yesterday. It had a lot different plate from Craig Hair's piano.


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#2674836 - 09/12/17 07:30 PM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: BDB]  
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Originally Posted by BDB
I tuned a Chickering scale 123 from 1906 yesterday. It had a lot different plate from Craig Hair's piano.


BDB,

I've got 3 Chickering Scale 123's and the plates are different on each one. They were not ones to leave well enough alone.

#2674841 - 09/12/17 07:43 PM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: Ed A. Hall]  
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Or they just could not get it right!


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#2674873 - 09/12/17 11:17 PM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: BDB]  
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Where ever is heard the discouraging word.

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#2674879 - 09/13/17 12:15 AM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: Karl Watson]  
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I have seen several stringing scales on Mason & Hamlin As, at least a couple of plates on similarly sized Knabes and Bösendorfers, so these things change more than one might think. It is amazing how little difference some of the things that you might think are major changes make.


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#2674925 - 09/13/17 07:28 AM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: Duke of Dunning]  
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What do snowflakes and Chickerings have in common? There are no two exactly alike!
#2674939 - 09/13/17 08:49 AM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: Duke of Dunning]  
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It's a bit expensive I'm guessing. need to have a look at the age of the piano and the mat on behind

#2675134 - 09/14/17 12:19 AM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: Ed A. Hall]  
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Ed A. Hall -

I had a few minutes this evening after I came from work (as our twin five year old girls were getting ready for bed) to record as requested Nicolai Orlov's AMPICO 67751 (7-1927) roll recording - on my 2013-era Mason & Hamlin BB via my PianoDisc SilentDriveHD system using a Peter Phillips MIDI emulation - of Chopin's Etude in F, Op.10 No.8. As the speed of reproducing roll playbacks can vary, this recording came out just a tad slower than yours... but it's not too big a difference. The tone of each instrument is indeed quite different between the new-era M&H BB and the Chickering 123. I like both for very different reasons! The Chickering has a lovely "bell-like" ringing tone in the treble that is not heard on any modern era instrument; not surprisingly the BB reproduces the bass with the great character and clarity it is known for. I didn't have time to fuss with mic placement etc - in fact, I just used the built-in mic's of my TASCAM digital recorder. I also wish my piano had been more recently tuned - it was done last January, and is scheduled to be done in the coming month - but this is the best I can provide as a comparison in short order. Enjoy!

Link to SoundCloud:
Chopin Etude Op.10 No.8 in F - Nikolai Orlov, pianist (7-1927)

Link to YouTube:
Chopin Etude Op.10 No.8 in F - Nikolai Orlov, pianist (7-1927)


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#2675180 - 09/14/17 08:36 AM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: wolfgangmeister]  
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Jason:

I hope you won't object to me pushing my oar in here - BUT
it seems strange to one who can't abide piano rolls OR Bruce Clark pianos that I should be so utterly smitten by BOTH. As for the tuning, I daresay that none of us have pianos that have survived the Summer with tuning so solid as yours.
Of course, it's impossible to know much about Orlov's playing from this other than the obvious: a beautiful, totally lyric, caressing tone, allied with a, for want of a better word, GRACIOUS style of music-making; the clarity and superb pedaling combing to achieve a kind-of ideal, at least from my vantage point. Sad to say, yet another example of a way of playing, a general approach that seems to have gone out of this present age.

Have to say that your BB is a gorgeous piano, especially when played in such a noble manner.

Thank you very much for posting this. Have you considered doing so in the pianists section ?

Karl Watson

#2677304 - 09/23/17 07:50 PM Re: If Chickering were reborn [Re: Duke of Dunning]  
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wolfgangmeister,

Thanks for posting the recording. It was very interesting to hear the 2 pianos with the same roll. You have a very fine piano and I can most certainly appreciate them both.

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