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Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 2 - Need Help! #2668897
08/17/17 11:22 PM
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Hi everyone,

So I started learning this impromptu a couple of days ago and so far it's not going too shabby. I got all the fingeringa dow for the first theme, so that part is all set.

The area I'm having problems with is whenever the right hand starts going above high C. My elbow tends to jut out whenever my hand has to go up the piano that far. This is especially true when the first part of the piece shifts from E Flat Major to E Flat Minor. What should I do about this rather terrible form that keeps coming up? It doesn't happen as much when I do scales or anything, so I genuinly am lost here. Also, how would you recommend I go about making it so that at one point, I can play this first section very fast without any hiccups in the fingers (besides slow practice)?

Thanks for all your help! For anyone who wants a listen:

https://youtu.be/-3WWZQyPs30

P.S. Notice how Zimerman's forearms don't tilt and his elbows remain near his side.

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Re: Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 2 - Need Help! [Re: RmntcPianoLvr] #2668902
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Part of the solution is that you know what the problem is. Without knowing why you do it, the simple answer seems to be: "Don't do it!' Practice slowly enough so that you can mentally keep reminding yourself to keep your elbow in. Naturally, there will be some elbow movement because the line from your fingers, through your hand and up the arm should be a straight one; there should be no excessive twisting of the wrist. As you move up the keyboard the entire arm should move out slightly from the body, but it shouldn't be the elbow that leads (if I fully understand what you are saying).

The problem may be that you are playing some of the black keys too far in towards the fallboard and the white keys too far away from the fallboard which might cause you to twist your wrist and cause your elbow to move out far from the body. Your fingers should strike the black keys right on the front of the key and the white keys at almost the same adjacent spot. However, I think that only someone seeing exactly what you are doing while you are doing it can help with a solution.

What does your teacher say?

Read the post that Ronald Steinway started about increasing speed: "How to increase the speed, I am stuck!", since he was asking about this Impromptu as well. As one of my teachers often said: "Slow practice leads to fast playing!"

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Re: Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 2 - Need Help! [Re: BruceD] #2668953
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Thanks a lot Bruce. I haven't had a teacher in three years, so any advice I can get is plenty

Re: Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 2 - Need Help! [Re: RmntcPianoLvr] #2668965
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Use your body to move your shoulder, elbow, wrist, and eventually fingers, into position.

Re: Schubert Impromptu Op. 90 No. 2 - Need Help! [Re: RmntcPianoLvr] #2669123
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Practice moving your arm/body out and back without playing any of the notes. It should be the arm that brings the hand to align the fingers with the keys, as opposed to the fingers pulling the arm over (what I tend to do). Once you like how you change position, then add in the notes, but make sure the arm and hand keep doing what it was doing before you added in the notes.

A slightly different suggestion: I think I have the same problem you have with the elbow wanting to stick too far out, especially on the LH. This creates a kink at the wrist: Check out the images at Question 1a. My elbow goes out because I'm pushing it outward. I have to think relax upper arm to get it to go back to neutral.


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