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I am currently considering these two for a fuller sounding piano. Which sounds better, due to the difference in speakers as well as the number of them? Thanks

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I have the DP-90 and I will never buy the DP603 even if the price of DP603 is lower, I like a lot the DP-90 except for the internal speakers that sound pretty bad. I think your decision shouldn't be focused in the speakers because you can buy any speakers you like.
Both has the same sound engine and action keys.
DP-90 has two things that DP603 not and for me are deal breakers: MIDI (in/out) and Equalizer(very important when you connect headphones or other speakers), besides that you have mic input and other inputs that HP603 doesn't.

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This info is not correct. The DP603 has far higher specification than the DP90 and should sound very similar to the HP603. I tried one out very briefly and it has a powerful sound.
I've tried out the DP90 and it was nice, but too similar to my FP50 to consider buying.
My local piano shop has both in at the moment. Or rather, did have.
The HP carries a 10 year warranty; the DP does not.

Ooopsaadaisy. . . . .it's about FP90 . . .

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People seem to be confusing FP-90 and DP-90. smile

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Originally Posted by tnsettlemo
I am currently considering these two for a fuller sounding piano. Which sounds better, due to the difference in speakers as well as the number of them? Thanks


They both have about the same power output. The DP603 has 2 x 30Watts, and the FP-90 has 2 x 25 Watts plus 2 x 5 Watts Dome Tweeters.

So, sound wise, they'll probably be comparable. If you want a portable piano, the FP-90 is the way to go. If it's just for the home, the DP603 looks the part.


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People seem to be confusing FP-90 and DP-90. smile


Me in all probability. But in answer to the original question, the DP 603 will have the fuller sound.


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Originally Posted by peterws
Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
People seem to be confusing FP-90 and DP-90. smile


Me in all probability. But in answer to the original question, the DP 603 will have the fuller sound.


The loudest output of the DP603 is 1 decibel louder than the FP-90. I don't think that's high enough difference to create the impression of a fuller sound. The specifications don't really lend weight to your suggestion that the DP603 would have a fuller sound. In fact, the specifications are so similar, it's hard to tell them apart. The speaker difference I mentioned is minimal, the DP603 has slightly more sounds, the FP-90 consumes 12W of power to the DP603's 9W. The piano designers are identical, the bluetooth capability is identical, the master tuning ranges are identical, the processors are identical.

I would (even without having played either instrument) expect identical patches to sound almost exactly the same played through their on-board speaker systems. Perhaps the very astute might notice a 1 db difference in volume...

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I only ever tried a HP 603, but I suspect the speaker setup may well be similar in the DP 603.

With that in mind one of the bigger differences that would impact the sound I suspect, everything else being equal, actions and sound engine settings,the FP90 has upfiring speakers towards the player, with grills and nothing really blocking it.

IIRC, the HP 603 has downfiring speakers towards the floor. The model I tried last year was on carpetted floor, so that didn't help the HP603. In any case, the hp603 does sound a tad muffled and weak IMO, certainly compared to the larger brethren, 605 even and up, and is no comparison to the LX17, not surprisingly, given the price jump.

Sole downfiring speakers under the cabinet or even rear firing, I have never been a fan of that type of setup, higher frequency content will be muted, lacking clarity, and a sense of projection and lack in spatial definition, it will always be compromised with that type of setup. OTOH I'd expect the fp90 to be clearer and more focused firing directly towards the player, with a brighter sound as a result, but provide better projection and spatial definition (assuming all other piano settings the same).

OTOH the console cabinets can add some resonance and tend to boost to the lower mids and bass region, for better or worse, some may like it or not, giving the perception of a warmer sound but lacking in spatial definition, unless you want to fork out for an LX17 grin.

however, the FP90 can be EQd, and no doubt both can be note edited to EQ to taste as well.

In the end only the OP can decide whether it is better or worse, I guess it is as much about taste as much as anything. I have a hunch that personally I may well prefer the speaker setup of the FP90, without ever having tried one, but aesthetically the DP, or HP model for that matter, is much nicer (IMO).

May be an DP 603 with some nice monitors added would make for a nice looking and sounding setup. The DP 603 has an elegant design to it in a way ... I kinda like it.

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Originally Posted by peterws
This info is not correct. The DP603 has far higher specification than the DP90 and should sound very similar to the HP603.


I think you have confused DP-90 with FP-90, because FP-90 is much superior than xP603

(FP-90 on the left) :

- Midi (in/out) and I can connect the arranger (I don't even think to buy a piano without MIDI in/out), xP603 has none
- Equalizer (3 bands parametric and each band programmable with Freq, and Q), I wont buy a piano without equalizer, xP603 has none
- Mic input with adjustable gain and effects, xP603 has none
- Stereo Input and Audio Output - xP603 has none
- Transportable and weight less than xP603
- Piano: 15 - xP603: 4 (Adding the pianos in "other" thay arrive to 14)
- E.Piano: 16 - xP603: 11
- Organ: 16 - xP603: 12
- Strings: 11 - xP603: 17 (This for me is not important because my Korg PA-600 has much better strings)
- Pads: 15 - xP603: none
- Other: 13 + drum sets + GM2 tones - Dx603: none, for Dx603 the manual shows for "Other" more pianos that are just included in pianos in FP-90, the Other in FP-90 are different instruments.
- Speakers: on FP90 are crap and I don't care because I have the audio output and I can connect any speaker I like.


The piano board looks like the same in FP-90 and xP603


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Originally Posted by citytrader



The piano board looks like the same in FP-90 and xP603



Yes I got a few consonants in a twist. But we're unanimously agreed on this! . . .aren't we?


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I think I am going to wait to see how good the new Casio Privia PX870 is and see if they will be bringing out a Celviano AP470 and what, if any, differences other than the body and pedals there are. Anybody else looking to try the new PX870?

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Originally Posted by tnsettlemo
I think I am going to wait to see how good the new Casio Privia PX870 is and see if they will be bringing out a Celviano AP470 and what, if any, differences other than the body and pedals there are. Anybody else looking to try the new PX870?

Not particularly impressed - the same key action, the same engine. I'm much more interested in Roland FP-90 and Kawai ES-8. They have more to offer to move on after KAWAI ES-110 IMHO.

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According to AZPIANONEWS:

Here are the top 7 differences between the previous PX860 and the new PX870:

1. The piano sound is better than the PX860 because the piano sound chip was upgraded to be even more natural like a real piano with better expression and more organic piano tonal elements than before. You can really tell the difference if listening to both models. Also there is one more acoustic piano sound added along with some of the non-piano instruments that have been re-voiced and improved for greater authenticity. The stereo strings, choirs, harpsichord, electric pianos, etc, really do sound good and are a joy to play especially as compared to other digital pianos in this price range.

2. The sustain pedal decay time has dramatically improved so that when you hold down the sustain-damper pedal you will hear more sustain volume and noticeably more sustain decay time than ever before and when that happens you get a more organic & natural piano sound particularly when playing legato and using more sustain pedaling. The notes of the piano sound mix together more evenly and produce a smoother and more balanced tonal expression across the entire 88 keys that was not able to be achieved on the previous PX860.

3. The speaker projection system has changed on the PX870. The former PX860 had a hinged lid where part of the lid could be propped up so the piano sound could come out of the piano top. That was a very good idea but the down-side was that with the lid propped open, you could not rest any music, music lamp, or any other items on the piano top because they would fall off. Casio designed a new speaker projection system that allows the piano sound to come up and out of the piano top without the need of a lid. There is a brand new speaker system in the piano that diverts part of the piano sound up and out through a long but narrow speaker grill that goes the length of the piano top and is inset and flush with the top. It's located more towards the back top of the piano. The piano sound is also projected forward through speakers in the piano. In this way there is better sound disbursement and top remains closed so it has a sleeker look, no more hinged lid like the previous model that could potentially break, and you can put things on the piano top without those items sliding off because of the previous models' partially raised and tilted lid. These are very well designed improvements that upgrades this new model in a noticeable way.

4. The synthetic ivory white keys have been re-textured with a new material that brings the touch/feel of the keys even closer to that of the popular natural ivory acoustic pianos of past years...a noticeable improvement with a smoother feel.

5. The headphone experience has been improved over the PX860 with new "headphone mode" with improved electronics that creates a more realistic stereo listening environment when using any good stereo headphones

6. A Volume Sync system has been added to the PX870 which allows the piano to have better low frequency response when playing the piano at lower volumes which is a good thing. This type of electronics has been available in digital pianos before but not in this price range.

7. The cabinet has been upgraded to look better with fewer seams in the case and the control panel buttons have been re-positioned to the left side of the keyboard to make the piano look simpler in design and less cluttered than before so the cabinet itself looks more streamlined and "piano-like." Also the physical cabinet assembly process is more intuitive than ever with cabinet parts able to be connected more easily.

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Originally Posted by tnsettlemo
According to AZPIANONEWS:

2. The sustain pedal decay time has dramatically improved so that when you hold down the sustain-damper pedal you will hear more sustain volume and noticeably more sustain decay time than ever before and when that happens you get a more organic & natural piano sound particularly when playing legato and using more sustain pedaling. The notes of the piano sound mix together more evenly and produce a smoother and more balanced tonal expression across the entire 88 keys that was not able to be achieved on the previous PX860.



I would love hearing it in real life. I owned a PX350 and the decay time was too short, making it sound like a toy to me. I had to layer with strings to have a minimally pleasant playing experience.

Just curious, what would be the closest portable/stage version to 870?

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I read the specifications on Casio and comparing the PX-870 with FP-90 is like comparing a Ferrari with a Fiat 500 Pop... sorry but there is no point of comparison.

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I am not comparing it to the Rolands. Just considering what I get for the money. It would have a fuller sound to it. Anyways, I won't be buying anything soon. The Kawai I have will last for a while longer with working on sight reading.


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