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Re: Help Me Recording My Kawai CN27 to My Laptop [Re: Frédéric L] #2666009
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I've been able to connect my Piano to my computer, i knew it by using MIDI-OX.

Originally Posted by Frédéric L
Windows 7, or more "SupportThe standard (built-in) Windows USB-MIDI driver is ", then you should found the MIDI driver in the driver manager. (It should have an loud-speaker icon).

Then you need a MIDI recorder. I prefer to use Reaper which is a quite powerful DAW (Digital Audio Workstation). With such a software, you can send back the MIDI record to the piano or to a virtual piano. The last option is compatible with a digital WAV record. With the first option, recording to a WAV will need a sound card (and may add noise to the output of the Kawai since the link is analogic).

There are multiple DAW : Reaper, Traktion, Cubase, Ablation Live...

There are also multiple virtual pianos : Ivory Synthogy, Garritan CFX, Vintage D, Pianoteq.....

Synghogy has a little recorder bundled with and Pianoteq integrate a little and practical recorder.

The DAW can be optional if you don't plan to record, because many virtual piano has a standalone mode.

If you just want to record the sound of the KN27, a good sound card and Audacity could be enough.


So I have to record my MIDI data in a DAW Software right?
Than what i have to do next is to input the MIDI data recorded before in the DAW software into the Virtual Piano Software?
Than i can record the final result (WAV,MP3,etc) produced by the Virtual Piano Software, using the Virtual Piano Software itself?

how about XLN Audio Studio Grand?

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Re: Help Me Recording My Kawai CN27 to My Laptop [Re: Jonathan B.] #2666030
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Normally the Virtual Piano software has the ability to record midi data itself, so you wont have to use another daw software unless you need some of its extensive feature


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Re: Help Me Recording My Kawai CN27 to My Laptop [Re: Jonathan B.] #2666037
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@HoangCosmic : I know only 2 virtual pianos which record your music without a DAW : Pianoteq and Ivory which is bundled with Cantabile. With other products a DAW (or a VST host which recird) is required. Many virtual pianos are based on Kontakt Player (all from Native Instruments, all from Galaxy, Bechstein Digital Grand...), which doesn't seem to have a record option.

When you create a track on a DAW with a virtual instruments, the virtual instrument compute the sound in a real time. Then you control the strenghts of your notes while hearing what will be recorded (you have to listen your PC, not the puano).

On Reaper, the menu File / Render can create the WAV or MP3 triggering the virtual piano.

You can try Reaper freely for 60 days. Sforzando is free and can load Salamander piano (which is free too). XLN pianos are not my favourite but are very tweekable to make thrm sound mellower or brighter. Garritan CFX is one of my favourite and the Lite version is quite affordable.

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Re: Help Me Recording My Kawai CN27 to My Laptop [Re: Frédéric L] #2666053
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Oh sorry, i only use Ivory standalone and Pianoteq haha, idk it


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Re: Help Me Recording My Kawai CN27 to My Laptop [Re: Jonathan B.] #2666054
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For recording MIDI, an alternative to a DAW is a scoring program. I know (because I own it) that Sibelius will record MIDI data, and I assume that MuseScore (which is "open source" and free) will do so as well. Sibelius will export what it's recorded into a '.MID' file, which can drive software pianos, etc.

I'm not sure how much MIDI data is recorded. Reaper (etc) will certainly work, but is _not_ simple to use (IMHO).

I think this discussion may have gone off-track. [Forgive me if what I write below has already been covered . . . ]

The conceptually simplest way to "record my DP" (when the DP doesn't have a built-in ".WAV" recorder) is:

. . . Take the DP's output from a headphone jack, use a "stereo splitter cable" to separate L and R channels;

. . . Use the computer's "Line In" (if it's _stereo_ line-in), or a USB soundcard with stereo inputs (the expensive ones are "audio interfaces"),
. . . to change the analog signals from DP's headphone output (separate L and R channels) into digital form inside the computer;

. . Use Audacity (or some other reasonably-simple audio recording software) to capture that data in a ".WAV" file.

That captures _the sound generated by the DP_. You have to buy a splitter cable, and an audio interface (or stereo-line-input soundcard), and you have to learn a bit about Audacity.

Learning to run a DAW, recording a MIDI file, and playing the MIDI file through a software piano is (IMHO) considerably more work, and probably more expensive.


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Re: Help Me Recording My Kawai CN27 to My Laptop [Re: Jonathan B.] #2666081
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There is an easy way to record pure MIDI on a PC without a DAW. Use Red Dot Forever. It's free.

Once it's setup, just click the record button and play the piano. When finished, click the stop button and save your MIDI file.

Then import the MIDI into any DAW. Render and record the sound from the DAW.

Yes, the DAW can do that, too. But I found that when playing the piano, it's much easier to deal with an app that has just two buttons: Record and Stop.

Re: Help Me Recording My Kawai CN27 to My Laptop [Re: Jonathan B.] #2666098
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Red Dot is a simple MIDI recorder, but since the OP talk about Audacity, I assume he want a WAV or MP3 record (ready to be shared with people who have no CN27).

Then, we have 3 options

* analog, with a good sound card, and Audacity (or other similar software),
* MIDI, with Red Dot or similar, but the result needs a CN27 to be rendered again exactly as it was played,
* MIDI and virtual piano, as I have explain (with a DAW or a VST host)

A good sound card is about 130€ a virtual piano like Ivory (and its VST host, Cantabile), is about 150€, somme are less expensive, but needs a VST host (VSThost is free, but I don't know how handy it is, Reaper is at 60$).

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Re: Help Me Recording My Kawai CN27 to My Laptop [Re: Frédéric L] #2666120
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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
Red Dot is a simple MIDI recorder, but since the OP talk about Audacity, I assume he want a WAV or MP3 record (ready to be shared with people who have no CN27).

Then, we have 3 options

* analog, with a good sound card, and Audacity (or other similar software),
* MIDI, with Red Dot or similar, but the result needs a CN27 to be rendered again exactly as it was played,
* MIDI and virtual piano, as I have explain (with a DAW or a VST host)

A good sound card is about 130€ a virtual piano like Ivory (and its VST host, Cantabile), is about 150€, somme are less expensive, but needs a VST host (VSThost is free, but I don't know how handy it is, Reaper is at 60$).


Please guide me using these software: Cubase 7 & XLN Audio Studio Grand
Because i cant find tutorial on the internet.

What Virtual Piano Software Can Play MIDI file? because i can't input midi file into the XLN Audio (Demo version)

Re: Help Me Recording My Kawai CN27 to My Laptop [Re: Frédéric L] #2666127
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Yes, you're right, Frederic.
Originally Posted by Frédéric L
... since the OP talk about Audacity, I assume he want a WAV or MP3 record (ready to be shared with people who have no CN27).
So back to Jonathan ... Do you simply want to record the sound of your piano? I think you said you've already done so!
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So Ive been able to record with audacity, the problem is, there is buzzing sound in the background.... . and i found out that the sound recorded is more bass(y)
If so, then there remains the task of eliminating the buzzing sound.

Please elaborate your wishes.

Re: Help Me Recording My Kawai CN27 to My Laptop [Re: Jonathan B.] #2666151
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Have you tried Noise Reduction in Audacity? It might take away the character of the piano sound, but if you lower the dB, and the sensitivity in the window that pops up, it might work out for you.


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I have to wait until Saturday / Sunday in order to have access to a PC (with Cubase)... Perhaps someone will help before. wink


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Re: Help Me Recording My Kawai CN27 to My Laptop [Re: Jonathan B.] #2666375
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Originally Posted by Jonathan B.
Please guide me using these software: Cubase 7 & XLN Audio Studio Grand
Because i cant find tutorial on the internet.


You can launch Cubase and select the "Piano & Vocal" template. You should see 2 tracks : a Piano (rendered with the sampler of Cubase) and vocals (if you have a microphone).

If all works well, you can "arm" the piano track (the little dot whose the background is red when you click on it) and every notes you play is rendered by Cubase. The volume of the sound is shown in a gauge of the track.

If the keyboard doesn't have any effect (sound or visual representation of the volume), you should verify the menu "Devices / Device configuration" and check that you CN27 is seen and its MIDI ports activted.

If the track show a volume you can't hear, you should check in the same menu the "VST audio system", select an ASIO driver (the ASIO driver of you card, or if has no such driver, the "Generic Low ASIO Driver". You should check that this driver see correctly its outputs. If the Cubase driver, you should check that "Devices / VST Connections" show correct assignments between the default output of Cubase and the outputs of the driver. Cubase use an indirection. Nearly all DAW on PC use ASIO driver to improve latency, then you have some configuration to do... once for all. You need a ASIO driver : bundled with your card, bundled with Cubase (Generic Low ASIO Driver) or ASIO4All which is generic too.

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If this is OK (when you play a note, you hear the Cubase piano), you may try to load the Addictive Keys VST. Just below piano vocals and fx beggining of tracks : right click / add instrument track, select your VST. You you can't find it : menu "Devices / plugins manager", at the bellow, left of the Windows, click on the gear. The default directory of Addictive Keys is "C:\Program Files\Steinberg\Vstplugins". Just verify this directory is selected or rescan (little arrows in circle).

Then you should have your Addictive Keys. (Remember to un-arm the Default piano track... you can also get rid of it, if it does has any interest).

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Many actions are done once for all. And you can save your empty Addictive Keys track with "File / Save As". Then, many more

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