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Re: How to position the piano in the room? [Re: Ardeus] #2675027
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The piano is getting more out of tune and I hate playing it more and more.

The technician is coming back the day after tomorrow and I was thinking that maybe it's a good idea to ask him to put it back where it was, i.e., in 440Hz instead of 441Hz. Is it a good idea?

I am willing to bet that the piano had never been tuned to anything other than 440Hz.

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Re: How to position the piano in the room? [Re: Ardeus] #2675029
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I would do 440.


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Re: How to position the piano in the room? [Re: Ardeus] #2675031
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Thanks twocats, I will do that then.

Re: How to position the piano in the room? [Re: Ardeus] #2675064
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Given its recent tuning history, I think -- and techs please correct me -- that going back to 440 would mean moving more pins than staying at 441, and therefore pins that are now holding at 441 would be less likely to stay where they belong.


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Re: How to position the piano in the room? [Re: Ardeus] #2675118
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The reason he pointed out to tune to 441Hz was that the overall tune was slightly below 440Hz.

You are probably right, if the piano is brought back down to 440Hz it will probably need to be tuned again in a few days.

When I play chords in the high register there's now a strange ressonance from the lower register.

He made an adjustment to the una corda pedal, maybe he made some change to the middle one.

I feel like reversing the roles and play the Goldberg variations next time he comes, and reenact the film...

Re: How to position the piano in the room? [Re: Ardeus] #2675209
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That sounds like a right pedal problem -- dampers not going all the way down. Sostenuto is unlikely to be the culprit. Try pumping the right pedal.


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Re: How to position the piano in the room? [Re: Ardeus] #2675427
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Reading all of this with great interest. I had an old Rogers upright - ok, nowhere near the league of the pianos that you guys have, but I have played many pianos over the years so am accustomed to their differences. Now have a Roland LX7 digital. By far the best piano that I have ever had in terms of the control I have over it, and sounds are quite good provided that I use the headphones. Through the speakers it shows up the acoustics of the room it is in - pretty awful.

If I ever move and have the room, would I get a acoustic grand? Reading all of this I think not. I just want to play and improve. But maybe that is because I am too old to worry about tuning, etc.

Hope you get it sorted out.


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Re: How to position the piano in the room? [Re: Ardeus] #2675508
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I like option C, because I don't feel comfortable to be stuck in the corner.

Re: How to position the piano in the room? [Re: Ardeus] #2676133
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C is how it is now and I don't see any reason to change it, I even have a good view because I don't have the piano blocking it. I didn't like being stuck in corner either.

Colin, an acoustic grand was the last dream I had that survived for over 40 years. I fulfilled some of the others, the rest either died some time after they tried to go past their expiration date or turned into nightmares when they became real.

I didn't want to let any thing bad happen the last of old dreams or let it die. I play many times a day and I am loving it at least as much as I dreamt. That's how much it's worth a grand piano to me. More than playing music, I listen to the piano in awe of how beatiful it sounds.

If I make the great trip now, I will feel my life was even more worth it because I had a magical grand acoustic piano in my living room for a few days.

On the subject, some time ago I wrote and recorded 6 songs for piano and voice based on 6 suicide stories. Best music I have ever done, maybe because the subject is so heavy. It's also the kind of stuff you should only do if you're feeling in a particularly good mood and even so, do it quickly.

https://youtu.be/h-xIgVkoiNo

The tuner came back and he spent about an hour tuning the piano again.

He also did an adjustment to the right pedal as you suggested John and it solved the problem.

I finally made him understand what I loved about the piano sound (that kind of celesta sound in the upper register).

On the first time he used an electronic device but he rarely looked at it and he was constantly using fifths, fourths, etc as guides. On the second time he just used his ear.

When he left the piano was in tune.

I think that the pounding I gave the piano so that I could get the old voicing back was at least in part responsible for the need to tune again. It's not back yet, but it's better.

A couple of days passed and I noticed that a couple of keys are slightly out of tune.

Instead of calling him, I ordered some tools and began trying to learn how to tune pianos (how to use the lever, beats, temperaments, inharmonicity, etc). It's a daring task, but I will begin by trying to correct the unisons and stop there for now.

It will be a very long time (if ever) before I dare to completely tune the piano.

Re: How to position the piano in the room? [Re: Ardeus] #2716319
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... and by long time, I meant 3 months smile

I began by correcting a couple of unisons but soon after, I downloaded a tuning software (Entropy piano tuner) and tried tunning the whole piano. The reason I did it was because of a sudden humidity rise that caused the whole piano to sound a bit out of tune.

I did purchase a dehumidifier and it improves the situation, but the best it does is keep the humidity in the mid 60's in rainy days. The humidity outside has regular 80% swings from day to night, sometimes 90%.

I must say I am ok with both the software and my ability to tune the piano, I already did it twice (it's a whole day job).

The technician left the piano tuned at 441Hz and I kept it like that. I still don't know what difference in sound it makes between these 440, 441 and 442 tunings on this particular piano.

I am planning to have the technician come in the next couple of months just the same because I need him to check the action on 3 keys on the higher octave and I also want to improve my tunning ability by watching him tune the piano.

I am still in love with this piano.

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