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Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano #2662527
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Hi, there! I tried the Yamaha NP32 (Np12 wasn't available at the store at that time) and it wasn't bad. It has non weighted keys but they are reasonably responsive for my taste. The Roland Go hasn't arrive yet to my store so I couldn't do a side by side comparison until now.

So I would like to hear the opinions of people who tried both NP 12 and Roland Go and which one you would choose as a lightweight travel instrument for those occasions one cannot afford to bring a 12 to 30 kg and 150 centimeter long instrument with you.

The Roland Go almost doubles the price tag the NP12 has. Is it maybe better in terms of tone (modeled or semi-modeled Supernatural?) or action?

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Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: CarloPiano] #2662575
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I ve never tried the roland. I have an np12 for travelling purposses and i am happy with it. It has been my only keyboard for almost a year with intense use every day, no problems at all. I only wish its dynamic range would be more sophisticated. Maybe roland has it, but if price is double i would choose the np12 again.

Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: CarloPiano] #2662589
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I've not played the Roland Go but have the NPx2 series. The action suffers from a short pivot with poorly implemented springing. It's like big toy, useless for piano practice, maybe OK for keyboard, just. I would choose the old Numa compact as a more superior lightweight travel 88 key piano, despite its short pivot and semi weighted keys. I have not tried the new version and the price difference is now greater.

Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: CarloPiano] #2662659
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The main reasons for the Go Piano:
- keys are normal size
- white keys have nice faux ivory tops
- black keys have a nice matte feel
- friendly portable/tablet features (Bluetooth, AUX IN, groove in music stand)
- 35" long (vs. 40")
- Roland jazz scat sound included

The following features are basically the same for both keyboards.
- key actions are both spring-loaded / synth style
- sounds are both standard 'consumer keyboard' samples.
- speakers are super-budget
- same USB MIDI and headphone jack
... these last metrics have no significant difference between the two keyboards


** for better sounds portable/tablets might be better (e.g. Ravenscroft for iOS), or spend more money and get something like the Korg Kross.


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Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: Groove On] #2662693
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Originally Posted by Groove On
- sounds are both standard 'consumer keyboard' samples.
- speakers are super-budget

Do you own a NP-12 to verify this?

Ich can't speak for the NP-12, but I once got the 76 keys version NP-31 Piaggero, which uses the same AWM tone generator offering a piano sample with 26 stretch groups (one sample per 3 keys), which is beyond of what to expect from 'consumer keyboards'. In fact over head phones output it sounds like a proper digital piano and supports half-pedaling, which is unseen in entry-level consumer keyboards. The top-facing speakers sound pretty good as well (I've heard worse digital pianos). The worst thing is the non-linear short pivot spring action really (despite being graded), which is a bummer, because otherwise this very lightweight battery-powered instrument would the go to "fun piano" for anything except serious piano practice.

But I guess a better synth action would make this thing more expensive putting it above the P-45 price.


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Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: CarloPiano] #2662725
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I wish they would make the springs about half the strength in these synth type actions. They are all ridiculously oversprung. Why do we need a key that returns faster than our finger can even lift?

Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: JoeT] #2662821
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Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by Groove On
- sounds are both standard 'consumer keyboard' samples.
- speakers are super-budget
Do you own a NP-12 to verify this?

I own the Roland Go Piano and I've been able to compare it with the NP-12 at the local Guitar Center.

Both of these are good travel keyboards, and I really like my Go Piano, but to be clear - the sounds and speakers on both the Roland Go Piano and the Yamaha NP-12 are a step down from the P115, FP30 or ES110. No surprise there, just setting expectations. For me, the sounds/speakers on both these keyboards are in the 'consumer keyboard' level. They sound better through headphones, but not great.


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Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: CarloPiano] #2663963
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What about the key action ? Is it playable when you usually use a piano with weighted action or do you feel yourself playing with a toy?
Another question, in order to by-pass the built-in sound, can we plug in a laptop with pianoteq for exemple?
The last one ;-) have you found any suitcase ( with castors ) that would protect it for flights ?
Thanks

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Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: CarloPiano] #2664310
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Hi everyone, ok, I tried the GO PIANO , and I Ve got part of my answers.
This " instrument " is far from my expectations..... ( "touch wise" speaking )
The key action, is as the other keyboards of that size... not realistic at all.
You are playing with springs... and so hard to play when you move your finger at the beginning of the key....
I can't believe, that in the market, no big company found a way to design a real compact 61 keys ( not 64 -rd 64- with 15 cm on the left of the keyboard, dedicated to buttons, switches, etc...a non-sens when you want something compact..) with kind of wheigted action....

I tried also some master keyboard of that size... wasn't happy either....;-)

Would it be so difficult to cut part of a Kawai Es110 or similar keyboards ? For sure, no!
If they can do it for 88, they can do it for 61!

Any idea of something around 90 cm with an acceptable action?

am I the only one who needs that kind of instrument for travelling ?

;-)

Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: rolex67] #2664313
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Originally Posted by rolex67
I tried also some master keyboard of that size... wasn't happy either....;-)
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Any idea of something around 90 cm with an acceptable action?

Studiologic VMK-161plus if you can find one.

Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: CarloPiano] #2664322
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Thank you another Scott, yes, weighted action, but 15 kg...if I add the suit case, to protect it would finally be between 25 /30 kg...
Not really easy to carry with luggage in the airports...

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If you don't mind paying someone to do the work, you can have that ES110 cut down to a 61... I'm guessing it would weigh 8-9 kg... or look at one of the other models he already has available...

http://www.minetticustomkeyboards.com


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Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: CarloPiano] #2664332
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Yes but too risky...

Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: rolex67] #2664370
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Originally Posted by rolex67
What about the key action ? Is it playable when you usually use a piano with weighted action or do you feel yourself playing with a toy?

It is a consumer keyboard with a spring-loaded-synth style action. My main issue with it is that Legato playing is difficult to control. So instead of finessing the dynamics, I just play legato very bluntly. Staccato and repeated notes are ridiculously easy to do because of the springs.

Originally Posted by rolex67
Another question, in order to by-pass the built-in sound, can we plug in a laptop with pianoteq for exemple?

Yes, you can use the 1/8" stereo AUX IN.

Originally Posted by rolex67
The last one ;-) have you found any suitcase ( with castors ) that would protect it for flights ?

I bought an inexpensive gun case US$70 on Amazon. It fits the Go Piano perfectly - but there's no room for the power adapter or music stand, and this case doesn't have castors.
LINK - Tactical Gun Case

Same company has longer cases with wheels
LINK - All Weather Cases


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Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: rolex67] #2664377
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Originally Posted by rolex67
I can't believe, that in the market, no big company found a way to design a real compact 61 keys ( not 64 -rd 64- with 15 cm on the left of the keyboard, dedicated to buttons, switches, etc...a non-sens when you want something compact..) with kind of wheigted action ... am I the only one who needs that kind of instrument for travelling ?

Yes this is the most frustrating thing. Still waiting for something like that - a good travel piano with 61 weighted keys. I travel every month for business and I want to have something I can practice on - and also just something to take with you like a guitar to social events.

The form factor of the Roland Go Piano is so close, just wish it had weighted keys, better sounds/speakers yada yada yada ...

FWIW - these two fall in the same category:
Hammond SKI ($2,000) - very good sounds, same size as the Roland Go Piano
Korg Kross 61 (US$700) - decent sounds, 2" longer than Go Piano


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Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: CarloPiano] #2664382
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Originally Posted by rolex67
have you found any suitcase ( with castors ) that would protect it for flights ?Thanks

LINK - All-Weather Tactical Gun Case - by Plano Molding (US$70 on Amazon)

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I took out the included pluck foam and left the border foam.

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Notice the egg-crate foam on the top and bottom of the case.

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This fits the Go Piano very, very snugly. I have to push the foam to get the keyboard in there. There is no room for the the power adapter or music stand - though there is larger case available with more room.

Dimensions of this case: Ext 40"x16"x5.5", Int 37"x13"x5" - FWIW - this also fits the Hammond SK1

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There is good foam protection all around the keyboard.

Other Notes: There are 5 TSA apporved locks, plus a couple of holes if you want to use your own padlocks. Also there is an "All-Weather Tactical Case" logo on the outside, which I was advised to cover with a sticker for traveling on airlines. Dimensions: Ext 40"x16"x5.5", Int 37"x13"x5"


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Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: CarloPiano] #2664425
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Very snug fit - great find!


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Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: CarloPiano] #2664471
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Thank you groove on for the nice pictures, very smart idea, the gun case !
What about the key action of the Korg?
Better than the Roland?
I didn't have the possibility to test the Korg

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Korg Kross 61 is poor action for piano playing, even among non-hammer boards. Too much difference in velocity response between the front of the keys and the back of the keys.

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It's what I ' ve noticed with the go piano as well....
It's a pity how those manufacturers consider their clients...
The add says this product is for beginner....
No, it's made for kids, they will try with that " toy" and then, because it will not be satisfying, will ask their parents to bye a real one .
" double bargain" for Roland .
Or it s made for guys like me, who can't carry heavy loads plus baggage in the airports an hotels,
But cries as soon as he puts his fingers on those miserable keys....
;-)

Re: Yamaha NP12 vs Roland Go Piano [Re: CarloPiano] #2664735
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Look, the GO Piano is an inexpensive, light, unweighted keyboard. It is what it is.

I traveled with an NP11 for years because it was the only choice in that space.

The GO is miles better than the NP11. It's not a Steingraeber, but for what it is, it's a step forward.

This discussion reminds me of the old response from an auto mechanic about a repair job: We can do cheap, good, or fast, but you can only get two of those three.

With digital pianos, you can get light & portable, cheap, and weighted keys -- but you can only get two of those three.


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Originally Posted by ClsscLib
Look, the GO Piano is an inexpensive, light, unweighted keyboard. It is what it is.

I traveled with an NP11 for years because it was the only choice in that space.

The GO is miles better than the NP11. It's not a Steingraeber, but for what it is, it's a step forward.

This discussion reminds me of the old response from an auto mechanic about a repair job: We can do cheap, good, or fast, but you can only get two of those three.

With digital pianos, you can get light & portable, cheap, and weighted keys -- but you can only get two of those three.

What is better about the Go Piano?


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Keys are full size on the GO Piano -- or at least full width -- they may be 1/2" short of the key length on my acoustic grand (keys on the NP11 are shorter and narrower than on a real piano); Roland key surface is a nice matte, NP11 is slippery plastic; sounds and sound options are much better on the GO Piano than on the NP11; controls on the GO Piano are much more intuitive and easy to use than on the NP11.


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I've used the 76-key NP32 for about 2 weeks as a practice keyboard. It's at my sister's house. It's ok. It's definitely suitable for practice, but it sounds cheesy with the cheap speakers. Much better than nothing, but I wouldn't perform with it.


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