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Re: Best way to move beyond beginner? [Re: Fly Boy] #2662563 07/19/17 09:51 AM
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I would like to hear a little more emphasis on music theory instead of just getting better at identifying and playing the notes on a sheet of paper.

Understanding chord families within a particular key.

Knowing the major scales and how the melodies are often the notes in that scale.

Playing your version of Pachebel's Canon in any key.... on demand.

I would put this stuff way, way, way ahead of sight-reading.

But that is me, I guess. I value understanding over rote mechanics.

I enjoy "thinking" and "listening" my way through a piece of music.

I do not enjoy trying to mimic how someone else says to play it and then living in fear of making a mistake.

I do understand that once you reach a level where you can read and play high-level notation it probably is very enjoyable.

I just did not enjoy the process which precedes that level so I had to change course.

For me, it has been a wise choice.


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Re: Best way to move beyond beginner? [Re: Fly Boy] #2662567 07/19/17 10:10 AM
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If you can't get a teacher, it is possible to get someone who is a pianist to watch and listen to you?

Doesn't have to be a pianists, actually...I have got great feedback from drummers and guitarists, and singers.

It gets you out of your bubble, and provides a fresh view of your playing.

Also, regarding a teacher, it doesn't have to be an every-week-teacher. I have students who come once in a while, when they can. One student had lessons like every 2 months. Another had just one, then moved. But because that student was somewhat advanced, i.e. not a beginner trying to find middle C, that one lesson gave him a lot to work with (at least thats what he said) laugh

Perhaps you can do something like that...but make sure the teacher knows in advance whats up, so he/she isn't expecting a full-time student.

ps...A church pianist is a good place to look...small churches often have people who are good players, but not full-time musicians.


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Re: Best way to move beyond beginner? [Re: Morodiene] #2663030 07/21/17 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Morodiene
Sight reading is probably not the best thing to focus on in order to get better at reading....
Reading was very hard ... growing up, and ...only got better at it much later (like 15 years later). I'm not saying ti will take you that long, but the approach is really important.


I agree completely. The fault is in how we were taught. The course I suggested. That lady knew how to play piano when she went to Yale. She taught piano at Yale. What she learned at Yale is how to teach. How people learn. She shares all that in her course. Looking for patterns, etc. That's how to be better at sight reading. Not paying attention to notes. This is how people learn the best.
It's kinda like "straining at gnats...while swallowing camels." You need to pay attention to the camels, not the gnats.
Or lets say another better way to put it. On how learning happens easiest/best. "If you pay attention to the Camels... The Gnats come easy."

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Re: Best way to move beyond beginner? [Re: Fly Boy] #2663063 07/21/17 02:35 PM
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Just want to put in a plug for Artistry at the Piano that rnaple mentioned. It is the most thorough teaching tool I've come across so far.


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Re: Best way to move beyond beginner? [Re: Fly Boy] #2665466 08/01/17 03:25 PM
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My best piece of advice for that is to learn to recognize your 2nds, 3rds, 4ths, etc.

All you need after that is to know the first note. Press that note and look at the direction of the next. It takes practice if you have tried to learn it another way, but I learned this a couple days ago and it is helping already.


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