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P115,es110 and fp30. anybody using them live or with a band?
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Hi,

i have been looking at these 3 keyboards but was just wondering what they are like in a live and band situation.?

I am just about to start gigging with a 2 bands and need a keyboard.

My needs are

1 Speakers I like having that instant feedback when playing. Also to use when rehearsing with a choir.

2. semi and full weighted keys at least 76.

3. Dont need loads of sounds - good piano sound , organ and strings.

4.Must be light no more then 15 kg less is better.

5. Need to be able to plug into pa/speakers /mixing desk.

6. needs to be very responsive to touch.

So I have looked at the above keyboards apart from es110 hopefully trying that this week. So any advice/experience welcome.

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Im not at live or playing with band level, but I'm using FP30 to learn keyboard and play with software band, very responsive and weighted keys and good piano sound, it also has a few other sounds, but doesnt have auto-accompaniment..I found it pretty heavy to lift, prob better to use at home in my opinion.

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I heard a P-115 (or P-105?) in a jazz/pop band a year ago. The pianist was really good, playing mostly the EP sounds through a house sound system. It sounded really good.

If you're looking for connectivity, consider the Casio PX-350 or (current production) PX-360. They have real MIDI jacks, "Line Out", "Line In", and a full set of voices ("General MIDI" plus a bunch of others). And they're within your weight limit.


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hi thanks for the reply.

Does anyone know if the outputs on the yamaha and kawai are balanced or unbalanced. I assume unbalanced? I could not see it in the manuals. The Roland are headphones outputs so they are unbalanced i would think.


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Unbalanced. Kawai specifies in the "Eternal Connectivity" specs here: http://www.kawai-global.com/product/es110/ . Yamaha doesn't specify unbalanced at https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/p_series/p-115/specs.html#product-tabs , but if you look at the photos they are. And yes, the Roland FP-30s headphone outs are unbalanced.

If the manual and specs aren't clear enough you can always look at the back (in person or photos). Unless technology has changed when I wasn't looking you need XLR jacks for balanced output. Those are pretty distinctive. If you're not familiar with them you can see them on the Kawai MP11 here: http://www.kawaimp.com/mp11/specifications/ . They're the three pin connectors above "fixed output" on the back photo.

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Originally Posted by Tim P
Yamaha doesn't specify unbalanced at https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/p_series/p-115/specs.html#product-tabs , but if you look at the photos they are.
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If the manual and specs aren't clear enough you can always look at the back (in person or photos). Unless technology has changed when I wasn't looking you need XLR jacks for balanced output.

You can't tell for sure from photos because, in fact, you can have balanced outs without XLR... it can be done with a TRS (stereo style) 1/4" jack. But that's the exception rather than the rule on an instrument output, and would be listed in manual/specs if implemented. If it's not mentioned, I'd say it's not there. I know Kurzweil implements it on some of their boards, though.

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The Roland are headphones outputs so they are unbalanced i would think.

Yes, they would have to be. There are a max of 3 possible connections on a 1/4" (TRS). They can be used to send an unbalanced stereo signal (left, right, ground) or they can be used to send a balanced mono signal (which likewise requires 3 connections). Since the headphone jack is stereo, it's unbalanced, since balanced stereo would require more than three connections, and only 3 are available. (And again, 1/4" *line* outs are almost always going to be 2-conductor unbalanced mono, and the manufacturer would say if they were 3-conductor balanced, which would require a TRS cable to take advantage of, as opposed to the traditional 2-conductor guitar cable.)

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by Tim P
Yamaha doesn't specify unbalanced at https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/p_series/p-115/specs.html#product-tabs , but if you look at the photos they are.
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If the manual and specs aren't clear enough you can always look at the back (in person or photos). Unless technology has changed when I wasn't looking you need XLR jacks for balanced output.

You can't tell for sure from photos because, in fact, you can have balanced outs without XLR... it can be done with a TRS (stereo style) 1/4" jack. But that's the exception rather than the rule on an instrument output, and would be listed in manual/specs if implemented. If it's not mentioned, I'd say it's not there. I know Kurzweil implements it on some of their boards, though.


Thanks. I knew that it would be possible with a 1/4" jack and cable wired to match, but I didn't know anyone ever did it.

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Monitors will often have balanced inputs through 1/4" TRS jacks. I guess it's not as common for pianos.

I think the P-115 line outputs are unbalanced. When I last looked at the manual, the only indication of such is the image they use of a TS cable.


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Seems funny that lightweight inexpensive board pianos like these do not contain line outs for gigging.
They are ideal for gigging, moreso than the clumsy heavy stuff folk seem to like for this purpose. Even the entry level Clavinovas have line outs and, I think, line ins. And nobody uses those for gigging. (I used to when I was big and strong)


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yes that is why i changed form a kawai es7 was a great piano but too heavy!!!! Thanks for all your info.

To me they should get rid of the drums and just do about 10 good voices and basic sequencer and have transpose as a button or have it in a registration memory.


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Monitors will often have balanced inputs through 1/4" TRS jacks. I guess it's not as common for pianos.

Yes, balanced inputs and outputs are more common with PA equipment, where it is typical to have longer cable runs. Less common on a musical instrument.

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Seems funny that lightweight inexpensive board pianos like these do not contain line outs for gigging.
They are ideal for gigging

Despite the light weight, the manufacturers sometimes seem to see their lowest cost models as home boards, and the line out is a "pro" feature that they put into pricier boards. Yamaha does have line out in the P115, but not in the lower cost P45. But I guess consumer demand is making a difference, because Casio put the Line Outs in when they upgraded the PX150 to the PX160, and Kawai did the same in the transition from the ES100 to the ES110. Kawai even gives you true MIDI jacks, something which has disappeared from the low end models from Casio, Yamaha, and Roland, which is also something a gigging musician can really benefit from.

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Eventually got to try the roland and kawai together!! And........ I prefer the kawai action and the sound. I felt the Roland was too heavy for me and playing on it at a gig would be tiring . Also the kawai has a EQ less line out which I think is vital for gigging. Although the bigger speakers on the roland would have been useful, Another point was the registration memories.which will be useful its a shame they dont store transpose. And if they do not where not have a separate buttons so you can do it at a gig. With regard to the sound I felt the piano sound was better on the Kawai to my ears anyway.!! It felt more natural then the roland. On both keyboards I could control the dynamics well and there was not much difference between them in that respect.And finally the kawai is lighter 12 to 14.1 kg which to my back makes a difference. Hope this has helped some people with a decision.
I am a piano player of 42 years and keyboard player for 35 years.

A quick point about the yamaha the keyboard is ok but the GHS keyboard is a old action and the sound is alright.

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Sounds like you found your right choice! One thing, though... I don't know that the Roland has any EQ on their headphone outputs.

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Glad you made the decision for the ES-110. I recently purchased one and am happy with it. Working out fine at gigs with good presence.

I did a comparison with the P-115 (no to the action) and ruled out the Roland due to weight and not liking the sound. I play in a jazz trio and have been using my older Acoustic Image bass amp, but am so looking forward to this week's gig when I test run the ES-110 with the Electro-Voice ZAA1 powered speaker.

In comparision to other pianos and bags I have tried, It is a breeze to transport. It fits well in the Kaces Express 88 key bag with wheels. The bag weighs less than 5 pounds.


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Originally Posted by gracegren
. . . I play in a jazz trio and have been using my older Acoustic Image bass amp, but am so looking forward to this week's gig when I test run the ES-110 with the Electro-Voice ZAA1 powered speaker.



PMFJI (and if you've thought this through) --

If it's a ZXA1-90B, it comes from the factory wth the tweeter oriented for "wedge monitor" use. That is, the "wide" direction of the tweeter lines up with the longest dimenion of the cabinet.

I've had best results with the speaker mounted vertically, on top of a pole. In which case, you should rotate the tweeter 90 degrees, so that the "wide" direction of the tweeter is at right angles to the longest dimension of the cabinet. Unscrew the front grille, unscrew the horn, rotate the horn, put everything back together.

If it's the ZXA1-110, it has a "square pattern" tweeter, no changes needed.

Let us know how it works out. Thanks.


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Originally Posted by gracegren
Glad you made the decision for the ES-110. I recently purchased one and am happy with it. Working out fine at gigs with good presence.

I did a comparison with the P-115 (no to the action) and ruled out the Roland due to weight and not liking the sound. I play in a jazz trio and have been using my older Acoustic Image bass amp, but am so looking forward to this week's gig when I test run the ES-110 with the Electro-Voice ZAA1 powered speaker.

In comparision to other pianos and bags I have tried, It is a breeze to transport. It fits well in the Kaces Express 88 key bag with wheels. The bag weighs less than 5 pounds.



Hi thanks for the info.

Just a quick question I play for a choir with a band and often in rehearsals use a desk to put the keyboard on. With the 110 having speakers at the bottom how does it affect the sound? Have you ever played it on a table? thanks


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Thank you Charles! I have been looking for simple, clear, concise directions on how to rotate the horn, and here it is!

When I took the cover off and had the speaker horizontal, standing up the long way, the tweeter is like this: I do not have a way right now to mount this vertically.

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From the manual:

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. . .The horn is factory-installed with the 90° coverage in the horizontal plane and the 50° coverage in the vertical plane.


If you use the ZXA1 lying on its side, with the grille pointing slightly upward from horizontal -- the "wedge monitor" position:

. . . the "90" edge of the tweeter should be horizontal, to give you the widest coverage of the audience (or yourself, if it's in front of you,
. . . pointing backwards).

That's how it comes from the factory.


If you use it on a pole (there's a mounting hole on the "bottom" surface)(the longest dimension will be vertical):

. . . the "90" edge of the tweeter should be horizontal, to give you the widest coverage of the audience.

Have fun. I don't think the amp is _really_ 800 watts, but that speaker is about as loud as you can get, for its size and weight. And it's very clean, and well-balanced. IMHO.


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Thanks again, Charles. This speaker was an open box purchase in perfect condition, but it looks like the previous owner already turned the speaker.position. Lucky me.


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As long as that "90" is on the horizontal edge of the tweeter, when the speaker is in "playing position" (whatever that is), you're good to go.

I got my ZXA1 used, from Guitar Center, and shipped it 3,000 miles to the store nearest me, for pickup . It's holding up fine, so far.

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