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Are the G.Henle Verlag editions reliable? #1677984
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The only note store in Estonia has a lot of them and I am wondering if they are reliable. The Mozart one that I got, a sonata collection has an unbelieavably small amount of signs, dynamics and that. While a Peters Edition "Fantasia Impromptu" by Chopin has a lot of signs.

So, are these G.Henle Verlag editions reliable? They do say Urtext.

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Re: Are the G.Henle Verlag editions reliable? [Re: Jame334] #1677998
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Yes, they are reliable. Also bear in mind that a composer such as Chopin would have put more expression marks in his music than say Mozart or Bach--and urtext editions reflect that better than other brands such as Schirmer.

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Re: Are the G.Henle Verlag editions reliable? [Re: Jame334] #1678001
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Alright, thanks. Glad I finally have an answer.

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Henle editions are considered to be among the best as far as being true to what the composer wrote. Another plus is their durablity.

I view the lack of dynamic markings as a challenge to understand and develop the music on my own. After I've learned a piece from Urtext, it's interesting to go back to an edited edition and compare what I thought felt and sounded right to what an editor thought. Sometimes I'm spot on, sometimes not, but the end result is a personal interpretation rather than a copy.


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Re: Are the G.Henle Verlag editions reliable? [Re: Jame334] #1678155
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Henle editions are among my preferred editions.
- As Urtexts go, they are as reliable as any other for their lack of "editing in" of dynamics and other markings that are not in the original or first edition sources.
- They most frequently cite variants found in various sources.
- They occasionally include a minimal amount of (helpful) fingering suggestions.
- They are durable, with exemplary clear printing, and, as important as any other feature,
- their bindings are such that they stay open easily on the music stand.

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I prefer Henle editions primarily because they're easy to read and they stay open well. It's that kind of attention to detail that just helps reduce the annoyance level. Most of the music they print can be had in the public domain easily, but it's just more pleasant to read from a Henle.

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Aye, I chose the Henle edition of the Mozart collection over some other German one that started with a B because the Henle books stay open very well.

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I also think Henle is a brilliant edition to use. It's usually my first choice.


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My first choice as well!

Re: Are the G.Henle Verlag editions reliable? [Re: Jame334] #1678333
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They are my first choice as well in terms of purchasing music scores.


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Re: Are the G.Henle Verlag editions reliable? [Re: Jame334] #1678428
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They are very good except the chopin is edited so badly in some cases I find it unbearable.


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I've been playing Chopin's Etude 10/3 out of my Henle Chopin Etudes book.

I was away from my book and played from a different score... it made me appreciate how tastefully Henle editions typically lay out the music on the page. Compare Henle's version to the version on IMSLP.

Also, I love the off-white paper.

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They are usually considered among the best editions, if not the best...



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Re: Are the G.Henle Verlag editions reliable? [Re: ChopinAddict] #1679304
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Most of my music collection - 99% of which I can't play! - is Henle


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Originally Posted by cruiser
Most of my music collection - 99% of which I can't play! - is Henle


LOL.
That was the post the day!
I am glad I am not the only one with an urtext fetish.

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Urtext is great because of the fact that you get exactly what the composer intended. On top of that, less dynamics means they(the composers) expect you to have the knowledge and maturity to know what kinds of phrasing to use. Aside from that, their print quality is awesome in my opinion and very neat and easy to read. On top of that, the pages don't fold in on themselves and their buindings are quite strong, as many have said already. I would recommend Henle especially for German composers. They don't have the best rep when it comes to Chopin though (Dover does) but Henle is all around not an esteemed publishing company for nothing.

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Originally Posted by AviChak
Urtext is great because of the fact that you get exactly what the composer intended. On top of that, less dynamics means they(the composers) expect you to have the knowledge and maturity to know what kinds of phrasing to use. Aside from that, their print quality is awesome in my opinion and very neat and easy to read. On top of that, the pages don't fold in on themselves and their buindings are quite strong, as many have said already. I would recommend Henle especially for German composers. They don't have the best rep when it comes to Chopin though (Dover does) but Henle is all around not an esteemed publishing company for nothing.
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I've never heard that Dover has the best reputation for Chopin. ...... either Paderewski for an edited version or Henle for urtext. Anyone else weigh in on Dover for Chopin? Maybe I've been spending way too much money on additions for Chopin.


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Originally Posted by dogperson
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I've never heard that Dover has the best reputation for Chopin. ...... either Paderewski for an edited version or Henle for urtext. Anyone else weigh in on Dover for Chopin? Maybe I've been spending way too much money on additions for Chopin.


Keep in mind that Dover is a re-print edition, so it's not a question of how good Dover is for composers generally, but how good the particular editor's reprint is considered. Some of Dover's Chopin is edited by Mikuli a 19th century student, assistant and, hence, "authority" on Chopin, but 19th century; take that into account when you purchase Dover's Chopin.

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The Dover Chopins are reprints of old editions by Mikuli, one of Chopin's pupils--close to the horse's mouth, so to speak.

Chopin has the the problem of slightly different first or early editions in several countries for most works. Doesn't Henle favor early German sources? grin

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Originally Posted by dogperson
Originally Posted by AviChak
Urtext is great because of the fact that you get exactly what the composer intended. On top of that, less dynamics means they(the composers) expect you to have the knowledge and maturity to know what kinds of phrasing to use. Aside from that, their print quality is awesome in my opinion and very neat and easy to read. On top of that, the pages don't fold in on themselves and their buindings are quite strong, as many have said already. I would recommend Henle especially for German composers. They don't have the best rep when it comes to Chopin though (Dover does) but Henle is all around not an esteemed publishing company for nothing.
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I've never heard that Dover has the best reputation for Chopin. ...... either Paderewski for an edited version or Henle for urtext. Anyone else weigh in on Dover for Chopin? Maybe I've been spending way too much money on additions for Chopin.


Most of my Dover Chopin books actually are the Paderewski editions! But I think there were copyright issues, and, AFAIK, they aren't offered any longer.

By the way, for the Chopin etudes, I am pretty happy with the Weiner Urtext edition done by Badura-Skoda.

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