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Are there any Steingraeber & Sohne pianos in Australia?
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Hello All,

I'm wondering if anyone has ever seen a Steingraeber & Sohne piano in Australia. It would be great to try one here in Australia, to see if I like the way it feels and sounds.

We are considering a trip to Germany or the UK to try them, but that's a long way to go to then discover it's not what I was after.

I also have a question for anyone who's played a Steingraeber piano (preferably a grand, but upright is fine too); What does it feel like in comparison to other makes like Mason & Hamlin, Bosendorfer, Bluthner? In general, is it typically a heavy or light action to play?

Thank you for any insights you can offer smile


After a long search I recently bought my first grand piano, a 1981 Steinway Model O. Even though it's old, with some flaws, I fell in love with its warm and beautiful tone. It's currently interstate undergoing some restoration work.
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PPS, you've already played some great pianos!

I did my search in the U.S. five years ago and also played lots of wonderful instruments. I settled on a Steingraeber grand (originally the 212, later traded up to 232) and couldn't be happier.

But this is a very personal choice. Others might have been just as happy with a Bosie, Grotrian, Sauter, Steinway, etc.

I find the Steingraeber action to be in the "medium" range, and the sound to be substantial and clear (more power than the Bosie, more clarity than the Steinway). That said, I've played pianos I've loved from Steinway, Bosie, Fazioli, Grotrian, and Estonia.

Take the time you need to let the right piano find you. You'll know.

Best of luck to you.


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Originally Posted by PerfectPianoSearch

I'm wondering if anyone has ever seen a Steingraeber & Sohne piano in Australia. It would be great to try one here in Australia, to see if I like the way it feels and sounds.


I'm looking into this for you. I'll let you know what I find.

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Hi PPS,

I'm afraid that, although there are some in Australia, none were sent from Bayreuth so there are no records for locations of them. So other than asking on here, it will be difficult to locate any specifically.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news! I really hope you find one - they're knockout pianos.


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Originally Posted by ClsscLib
I find the Steingraeber action to be in the "medium" range, and the sound to be substantial and clear (more power than the Bosie, more clarity than the Steinway). That said, I've played pianos I've loved from Steinway, Bosie, Fazioli, Grotrian, and Estonia.

Thank you ClsscLib, I appreciate you taking the time to let me know your experience of the Steingraeber action. Do you mean it projects a lot of volume when you say "substantial"? Thanks again smile


After a long search I recently bought my first grand piano, a 1981 Steinway Model O. Even though it's old, with some flaws, I fell in love with its warm and beautiful tone. It's currently interstate undergoing some restoration work.
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Originally Posted by PhoenixPianos

I'm looking into this for you. I'll let you know what I find.

Thank you DC, I really appreciate you looking into that. Maybe a trip to the UK or Germany is on the cards then hey wink


After a long search I recently bought my first grand piano, a 1981 Steinway Model O. Even though it's old, with some flaws, I fell in love with its warm and beautiful tone. It's currently interstate undergoing some restoration work.
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Originally Posted by PerfectPianoSearch
Originally Posted by ClsscLib
I find the Steingraeber action to be in the "medium" range, and the sound to be substantial and clear (more power than the Bosie, more clarity than the Steinway). That said, I've played pianos I've loved from Steinway, Bosie, Fazioli, Grotrian, and Estonia.

Thank you ClsscLib, I appreciate you taking the time to let me know your experience of the Steingraeber action. Do you mean it projects a lot of volume when you say "substantial"? Thanks again smile


You can get a lot of quality sound out of the Steingraebers I've played without having to try too hard. I've also found that true of Steinways.


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Originally Posted by ClsscLib
I find the Steingraeber action to be in the "medium" range,
I completely agree with this description. Based on the ones I've played, there is nothing odd about the action... it's a normal action, just very, very refined. If I had to pick one from your list, I think I'd say it leans towards the feel of a Bluthner.

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and the sound to be substantial and clear (more power than the Bosie, more clarity than the Steinway).
I think the piano has more projection and more dynamic range than a Bosie. One of the qualities that really stood out to me is how even and good the piano sounds through all registers. The top is thrilling. So many pianos die at the top.
Compared to Steinway, I think you can push the piano more without distorting, or "hitting a wall"... where this is the maximum volume with good tone, and there is no more.


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I'm looking into this for you. I'll let you know what I find.

Thank you DC, I really appreciate you looking into that. Maybe a trip to the UK or Germany is on the cards then hey wink


It'd be a pleasure to have you here at our place. Afternoon tea comes as standard, just so you know!


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[quote=ClsscLib] If I had to pick one from your list, I think I'd say it leans towards the feel of a Bluthner.

Thank you musicpassion and ClsscLib. These are really helpful descriptions and interestingly I really liked the feel of the Bluthners when I tried them a couple months ago. So this is a helpful comparison for me. Thanks again.


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[quote=ClsscLib] If I had to pick one from your list, I think I'd say it leans towards the feel of a Bluthner.

Thank you musicpassion and ClsscLib. These are really helpful descriptions and interestingly I really liked the feel of the Bluthners when I tried them a couple months ago. So this is a helpful comparison for me. Thanks again.


I have to respectfully but strongly disagree with this assessment. I cannot think of any two pianos that feel, sound and respond more differently than Steingraebers and Bluthners. To get a Bluthner to feel like a Steingraeber ( if this was the goal ) you would have to change many things, most importantly the way the sound responds to the touch. Because the two pianos sound so different even if you could magically put the exact same action in both pianos they would feel completely different in the context of playing music.


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Because the two pianos sound so different even if you could magically put the exact same action in both pianos they would feel completely different in the context of playing music.

Thank your comments Keith, I'll certainly make note of your assessment of the Bluthner and Steingraeber.


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If Ron Overs is still around (I last spoke with him about 12 years ago), he will give you some good advice (I think he's somewhere in the Olympic Park area of Sydney). It's probably worth a visit to see Wayne Stuart too in Tumut (near Wagga Wagga) and that will give you a feel for what the Steingraeber Phoenix is like.

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I don't know that I would liken the steingraeber to any of those pianos in sound or feel. For me, steingraeber feels like the german answer to the fazioli, in that is is an attempt at a very modern "perfected" piano. Tons of power, tons of tone. The action for me was substantial yet still fairly light. To me bluthners feels lighter but their tone tends to be much more lyrical and the sound is so immediate that I am sure it affects how the action feels. I might say the bosie action felt closer to the steingraeber but the bosie is so much more reserved in dynamics that when it comes to playing loud and ruckus, the action starts to feel very different when the bosie is making you work for it and the steingraeber is egging you on to go harder.

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Originally Posted by Keith D Kerman
I have to respectfully but strongly disagree with this assessment. I cannot think of any two pianos that feel, sound and respond more differently than Steingraebers and Bluthners. To get a Bluthner to feel like a Steingraeber ( if this was the goal ) you would have to change many things, most importantly the way the sound responds to the touch. Because the two pianos sound so different even if you could magically put the exact same action in both pianos they would feel completely different in the context of playing music.
They are different pianos, to be sure. But from his list, I think the touch feels more like a Bluthner than it does a Mason and Hamlin or a Bosie. I respect your thoughts and opinions; comparisons are so hard and ultimately quite limiting.


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Why not email Steingraeber themselves regarding technical support locally. They might just know of a technician who could take this on for you should you decide on a Steingraeber after auditioning one and purchasing it abroad. The folks there are so helpful, knowledgeable and totally devoid of marketing B/S.

If I were in your place I would certainly try out Stuart. They are phenominal and you might well be able to track down a deal on one especially from a concert hall.


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