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#2655736 - 06/23/17 02:44 AM The truth about the blues scales.  
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Both in the Internet and in textbooks one can find different versions of blues scales, which easily confuses newcomers .Which of them are correct?
Indeed, here are involved several different scales, related to each other:

Minor pentatonic - Bb, G, F, Eb, C.

Major pentatonic - A, G, E, D, C.

Full blues scale
- C, B, Bb, G, Gb, F, E, Eb, C; where both thirds and both seveths are called blues notes, and resemble the Arabic maqam, where quarter tone pitches are located in the same places. Flatted fifth also refers to the blues notes.

Major blues scale - C, D, Eb, E, G, A ; its minor transformation - C, D, Eb, G, A .

The blues scales are the result of mixing African pentatonic and European major-minor on American soil, which approved the status of blues as the first purely American genre. From the African pentatonic, into the blues scale came tradition of building from top to bottom ; and what we see in books is just sloppy , because the main direction of classical blues tunes is also descending.


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#2655738 - 06/23/17 02:52 AM Re: The truth about the blues scales. [Re: Nahum]  
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I see 5 scales, but what I know as the blues scale is C, Eb, F, Gb, G, Bb. (Root, Flat 3rd, 4th, Flat 5th, 5th, Flat 7th) If not, what is called this scale?




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#2655745 - 06/23/17 04:04 AM Re: The truth about the blues scales. [Re: Nahum]  
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johan, listen to the music is more correctly instead of looking in the book:


For example : 07:31 - Charly McCoy - Motherless Blues

From the first words the singer swings with by glissando between the fifth and flatted fifth, then descends through both thirds to the prima. In the 9th bar , he slips through both sevenths, also by gliss.
It was more correct to write this way:

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#2655754 - 06/23/17 04:36 AM Re: The truth about the blues scales. [Re: Nahum]  
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Originally Posted by Nahum
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You got this from a book right? :-)


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#2655757 - 06/23/17 04:58 AM Re: The truth about the blues scales. [Re: johan d]  
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Originally Posted by johan d

You got this from a book right? :-)


No, I wrote this - not from some book, but an extract from the music.
Beware of blues theorists ! laugh

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#2656070 - Yesterday at 02:29 PM Re: The truth about the blues scales. [Re: Nahum]  
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Hi

I'm not sure what your scale is Johan, probably a simplified version. The most significant point about the full scale as described by Nahum is that it has the major and minor 3rd, which when you slide from the Eb to the E gives you the bluesy effect. As Nahum indicates in his reply the reality is that the blue notes are in the cracks on the Piano, and so the nearest we Pianists can get to a quarter note (half way between Eb and E) is to play them very close together.

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#2656207 - 19 hours ago Re: The truth about the blues scales. [Re: Simon_b]  
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Originally Posted by Simon_b
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I'm not sure what your scale is Johan, probably a simplified version.

In his tutorial " The Blues Scales" ( btw, I gave in Amazon a high mark ) Dan Greenblatt writes the following:

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But even he doesn't mention the presence of major seventh.The presence of quarter-tone pitches causes difficulties in musical notation. The presence of quarter-tone pitches causes difficulties in musical notation.The sign that I used in the example above is used in Arabic music precisely for this purpose: to designate a pitch between for ex. Eb and E. This is a real blue note, but the problem is that there is more than one such pitch inside the half-tone - two or even three , depending on the direction of the melody. There are incredible designations here: an inverted flat tight with ordinary flat, etc.
Personally, I think that instead learn the scale it is necessary to begin to learn the blues melodic line in the form of short motives or submotives .

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#2656216 - 17 hours ago Re: The truth about the blues scales. [Re: Nahum]  
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Lol - If the OP was confused about the Blues Scale, this discussion has probably made it even more confusing ... thumb

Nahum - it sounds like you're saying that it would be better to think of the Blues Scale as the entire major scale, plus the flat3, flat5 and flat7 and any additional tones we get by pressing two keys at the same time?

FWIW - the simplified 6-note blues scale that Johan mentioned is what I've encountered in most books - 1, flat3, 4, flat5, 5 and flat7. This is the one I've memorized and practice in 12 keys.


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#2656234 - 14 hours ago Re: The truth about the blues scales. [Re: Groove On]  
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Originally Posted by Groove On

Nahum - it sounds like you're saying that it would be better to think of the Blues Scale as the entire major scale, plus the flat3, flat5 and flat7 and any additional tones we get by pressing two keys at the same time?

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Yes, this is one of the possibilities; and IMO , not the best. You can't treat the blues as a given scale, but a set of intonational cells (I do not know the suitable English term, because the theory of intonation, which was born in Russia, isn't recognized in the West). This means in practice: you start with the lower trichord C - [Eb, E] - F, and transpose it over all 12 notes. The next step is to improvise only on this trichord; for beginner this is quite enough!The student doesn't even notice that the 11 transpositions of basic trichord create a set of the first and second halfs of all blues scales - exactly the same, but on perfect fifth up in every scale . That is , in C blues to the lower trichord from C added a duplicate from Sol - G-[ Bb,B]-C, in A blues the second trichord will be from E , etc.
Thus, you cloges in blues scale 2, and even 3 border pillars, which create two main melodic sectors: between the first and fifth steps; and between the fifth and eighth as well as between the first and the fifth step in the lower octave (as often occurs). When both sectors are joining, we can safely introduce a flat fifth - it serves the approach on the way up to the fifth, or on the way down to the fourth or third.

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#2656280 - 10 hours ago Re: The truth about the blues scales. [Re: Nahum]  
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Perhaps this is a gross oversimplification but I though the Blues Scale was a simple pattern. Tonic - 3 half steps - 2 half steps - 1 half step - 1 half step - 3 half steps - 2 half steps.


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