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#2654908 - 06/19/17 05:17 PM A Milestone Reached in Piano Development  
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Good evening,

We've recently published this announcement on our website, but wanted to put it here too! Thanks.

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We are proud to announce that during June/ July 2017 Phoenix Pianos will complete its 40th commercial build piano with carbon fibre soundboard.

Our latest instrument is destined for a prestigious new UK venue. Plans are in hand to achieve a target number of over fifty carbon fibre soundboard pianos by Christmas 2017. Meanwhile our pianos with these soundboards are now making fine music in all continents of the World.

The sound quality of these very special pianos is astonishing for its power, immediacy and exceptionally long sustain. For those who wish to make their own judgement, please
listen to recent Phoenix piano video recordings of Chopin, Scarlatti, Rachmaninoff and Balakirev. (We suggest with high quality speakers or headphones.)


Most of these pianos are fitted with WNG carbon fibre / composite actions which, like the soundboards, are highly resistant to adverse climate conditions. All incorporate the patented Phoenix bridge agraffes that enable elimination of the clamping and restrictive down bearing load of the strings on the soundboard. Down bearing in other builds of piano can cause the eventual collapse of the soundboard crown and loss of premium performance. This can occur within 5 to 50 years, according to robustness of build.

For further information, please visit our website.

http://www.phoenixpianos.co.uk


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Carbon Fibre Soundboards - Composite Actions - Award-Winning Bridge Technology.

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#2654919 - 06/19/17 06:14 PM Re: A Milestone Reached in Piano Development [Re: PhoenixPianos]  
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That is pretty neat, Is the relatively low amount of produced pianos the result of low capacity to produce them, or just that demand is not yet significant to justify making more? Any chance we will ever be able to see how carbon fiber soundboards are made? It is neat to see vigorous integration of modern technology into pianos, even if it is not everyone's cup of tea, or does not go great initially, because with such work something truly revolutionary may arise and that is simply not going to happen if everyone holds onto older designs.


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#2654928 - 06/19/17 07:17 PM Re: A Milestone Reached in Piano Development [Re: PhoenixPianos]  
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It's good to see that you are advancing piano technology as you are, but I don't think this qualifies as an "announcement". 40 pianos is an arbitrary number - with no significance to the piano industry beyond what you make it. It even falls short of your actual numerical goal of 50 pianos by year's end. In short, this is just marketing. I'm not actually offended, but thought I'd let you know that it is very transparent.

#2654937 - 06/19/17 07:41 PM Re: A Milestone Reached in Piano Development [Re: PhoenixPianos]  
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I am certainly no more than a piano owner, but I would argue that the crown collapse in 5-50 years as a blanket generalization is questionable. I have two vintage pianos: one made in 1900 and one 1903 without loss of the crown in either one.

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#2654955 - 06/19/17 08:52 PM Re: A Milestone Reached in Piano Development [Re: PhoenixPianos]  
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Build a piano with a carbon fiber soundboard, WNG carbon fiber action, all stainless strings and pins, .... And sell it to the cruise ship industry and tropical beach resorts. There's a real need for what you can do.


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#2654981 - 06/19/17 10:09 PM Re: A Milestone Reached in Piano Development [Re: ando]  
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This is quite an achievement since very few have ventured out to expand on piano development since the turn of the 19th century.

I know many are used to piano manufacturers churning out thousands of piano per year but if you think about it, it's quite impressive to be able to come to market with new technology and sell even a handful let alone 50 in such few years. Especially in the current market for new pianos and against such snobbery seen from the so called "purist".

Also quite impressive is being recognized by one of the finest piano manufactures in the world, Steingraeber. Not a lot of piano restorers or developers can hang that one on their wall.





#2654983 - 06/19/17 10:13 PM Re: A Milestone Reached in Piano Development [Re: JohnSprung]  
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Or bring back those interesting upright pianos designed to go in airplanes, but make them a fully capable piano?

as for the beach idea, aren't tropicalized pianos already a thing.


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#2654999 - 06/20/17 12:37 AM Re: A Milestone Reached in Piano Development [Re: PhoenixPianos]  
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I think it may be a milestone. The recordings are stupendous and delightful to listen to. But I would have to compare the carbon fiber version against another piano without the carbon fiber, similarly prepped and played, in order to make a comparison.


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#2655025 - 06/20/17 03:22 AM Re: A Milestone Reached in Piano Development [Re: XenondiFluoride]  
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Originally Posted by XenondiFluoride
Or bring back those interesting upright pianos designed to go in airplanes, but make them a fully capable piano?


We love this idea. Our Carbiano was partially designed with this in mind. It's so light that two people can carry it. It would fit very neatly into a first class bar area very nicely! laugh It can also play itself, so the airline even save a spare seat for the pianist!

Originally Posted by XenondiFluoride
That is pretty neat, Is the relatively low amount of produced pianos the result of low capacity to produce them, or just that demand is not yet significant to justify making more? Any chance we will ever be able to see how carbon fiber soundboards are made?


Honestly, at the moment, we can't build them quick enough! The international demand is ever increasing

We won't be releasing details on how we make our soundboards, I'm afraid. Sorry to be a spoil-sport...

Thank you all for your comments. This wasn't a marketing ploy. The people here are piano lovers, like us. We just wanted to share our exciting news.

-DC


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#2655077 - 06/20/17 09:53 AM Re: A Milestone Reached in Piano Development [Re: PhoenixPianos]  
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That's quite a story with Udo Steingraeber. Wow! Miguel, thank for posting that.

#2655134 - 06/20/17 04:21 PM Re: A Milestone Reached in Piano Development [Re: PhoenixPianos]  
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I am very interested in finding out more about Phoenix pianos. But aside from going to Hurstwood Farm, is there a place/dealer in the United States that has those pianos that I can go try?


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#2655236 - Yesterday at 02:17 AM Re: A Milestone Reached in Piano Development [Re: Davdoc]  
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Originally Posted by Davdoc
I am very interested in finding out more about Phoenix pianos. But aside from going to Hurstwood Farm, is there a place/dealer in the United States that has those pianos that I can go try?


We have a customer in NC that has very kindly said that he would let people come and try his new Phoenix C212. Perhaps this could be useful to you?

-DC


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Carbon Fibre Soundboards - Composite Actions - Award-Winning Bridge Technology.

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#2655364 - Yesterday at 02:50 PM Re: A Milestone Reached in Piano Development [Re: PhoenixPianos]  
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This is truly remarkable and what the piano industry needs. For the non-believers the use of carbon fiber allows to achieve optimum isotropy in the soundboard, which is typically done with the grain of the wood and the ribs on the soundboard. These soundboards probably generate a well balanced projection between sustain and volume. By having more control of the acoustic properties of the soundboard a manufacturer will be able to make pianos with a very high degree of consistent tone quality.

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