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#2654799 - 06/19/17 10:09 AM USB 3.0, SSD & CFX lite?  
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Ok, I decided to add some software but I am trying to figure out how to do it.

My Computer is i7700/4200 Ghz, 32 gig fast ram, Boot drive is 512 SS, Rx480 8 gig video card, about 7 Gig total 7200 rpm standard drives and has an 850 watt power supply. I am having my "studio" rewired as I currently run lots of "stuff" and feel I need better wiring. I am using on board for sound currently. I feel a new sound card is about all I can put in the box (suggestions for high level sound cards welcomed) and be fine under full current draw. Thus I'd like to run an SSD for my DAW, software Piano (s), and orchestra software. So far the system has been very fast and I think given some 4K editing I've been doing USB 3.0 might be able to run sound software with a fast SSD.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

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#2654817 - 06/19/17 12:09 PM Re: USB 3.0, SSD & CFX lite? [Re: D7K]  
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Your boot drive is 512GB SSD? If so, and from the specifications of your system otherwise, you shouldn't have any trouble running virtual instruments, whatsoever. Or are you talking about getting an extra SSD, connect it through USB 3.0, and run VSTis from the external SSD? USB 3.0 is not as fast as the internal SATA, but I'll leave it to others who have tried virtual instruments on SSD through USB 3.0, to answer if it works or not.

Recently, I got the Focusrite Scarlett 2i4. It works fine with the virtual instruments I have, which are not that resource hungry, actually. The Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 is essentially the same, but with fewer outputs, as the 2i2 phrase suggests. You get two DAWs for free with any Focusrite audio interface, Pro Tools | First, and Ableton Live 9 Lite. I never got the Pro Tools to work, but the Ableton works fine. Except I can't get it to open Kontakt virtual instruments.

Hope that helps somewhat.


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#2654822 - 06/19/17 12:25 PM Re: USB 3.0, SSD & CFX lite? [Re: D7K]  
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This is quite similar to my new desktop computer:
Originally Posted by D7K
My Computer is i7700/4200 Ghz, 32 gig fast ram, Boot drive is 512 SS, Rx480 8 gig video card, about 7 Gig total 7200 rpm standard drives and has an 850 watt power supply.
I have "only" 16 GB RAM, though ... but I really don't use half of that.

I have my VSTs on the SSD ... an internal M.2 drive. I'd recommend an internal SSD (whether M.2 or SATA) rather than a USB-connected drive. Yes, the USB makes the SSD data transportable. But if that is not a requirement, go for an internal SSD.

I use an external sound card (a Presonus). I'd recommend an external audio interface rather than internal. I like to keep the digital inside the piano, and keep the analog outside. smile

You can search Piano World for this. But also look at any of the many music/audio boards for recommendations on audio interfaces.
Be clear about your needs.
- How many mic/guitar inputs do you need?
- Do you want it to include a MIDI interface?
- How good is the headphone monitoring on that interface? (Some of them suck. Really.)
- Do you need 1/4" connections? RCA connections? XLR connectors?
- Do you need unbalanced inputs or outputs?

BTW ... I presume you meant i7700K ?

#2654836 - 06/19/17 01:08 PM Re: USB 3.0, SSD & CFX lite? [Re: D7K]  
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Yep it's a Intel Core i7-7700K .

If I went with external sound I might be able to use another SSD (I normally render 4K to the internal one and need lots of free space) inside. Looking for external powered ones to keep down the watt draw especially when rendering video. I understand some of the software Piano's take up lots of Gigabytes. Thank you for the help. Extra software might not be useful as I think I will be using Reaper as the host. Of course I guess the answer is always , YMMV so try it:)




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#2654839 - 06/19/17 01:13 PM Re: USB 3.0, SSD & CFX lite? [Re: D7K]  
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You can throw a lot of money at this but I think that is the wrong approach.

Your computer is plenty fast. You should have some "piano system goals." Maybe start by identifying strengths and weaknesses of your overall system. For example:

- Do you feel connected with the virtual instrument when playing?
- How is the latency?
- How do you like the sound quality?

LATENCYMON

You may be able to optimize latency using the free latencymon software to tweak your system's performance. That would be my first step before buying new hardware.

If your CFX works great then stop here and spend your money on other stuff.

SSD vs. HDD

For big virtual instruments, I see lots of people here using HDD with older computers. So running Windows on a SSD and the VI on a HDD might work great. Lots of pros are doing this today with huge studios. The only way to know on your system is to try.

For SSD, the Samsung 850 EVO drives provide great price-performance. I don't know if the more expensive, higher-marketing-spec nvme drives will provide better real-world performance for virtual instruments.

MIDI - traditional vs. USB

Your Casio PX-5S has both traditional MIDI & USB MIDI ports. So you have lots of paths to consider. Will you use headphones or speakers? A few preliminary ideas:

- I'm not sure how "global" system performance (e.g. latency, jitter, hiccups) might differ between traditional MIDI & USB MIDI ports. Your computer setup will matter. I think the only way to know is to try

1. USB MIDI has the advantage of plug-and-play with a computer.

- If you use USB MIDI, you might want to upgrade the internal audio DAC/amp for better sound quality. But your onboard system might be just fine.

- For headphone use you might look at www.head-fi.org for ideas.

2. Traditional MIDI has optocouplers for electrical isolation; they may (or may not) be helpful to reduce noise when connecting several powered devices. But you will need some type of interface to connect the MIDI cable to your computer.

- A good audio interface is like a swiss army knife. It connects your MIDI cables in to the computer, and outputs sound to your speakers/headphones. Good interfaces will have quality DACs and amps.

- An interface will also have software that optimizes audio from MIDI signal to sound output, so might (or might not) optimize performance. RME's software is highly rated but you pay for that performance.

This is the best thread I found for audio interfaces:

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/mus...e-low-latency-performance-data-base.html

PCIE interfaces still are the best performing audio interfaces. Today there are just a couple of interfaces for USB3 (e.g. Zoom) or ThunderBolt (e.g. RME) that work with Windows. I'm not convinced there will be many consumer USB3-ThunderBolt interfaces released in the future. Lots of good interfaces are available for USB2.

#2654850 - 06/19/17 01:51 PM Re: USB 3.0, SSD & CFX lite? [Re: D7K]  
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Originally Posted by D7K
Yep it's a Intel Core i7-7700K .

If I went with external sound I might be able to use another SSD (I normally render 4K to the internal one and need lots of free space) inside. Looking for external powered ones to keep down the watt draw especially when rendering video. I understand some of the software Piano's take up lots of Gigabytes. Thank you for the help. Extra software might not be useful as I think I will be using Reaper as the host. Of course I guess the answer is always , YMMV so try it:)





I am not sure I understand your situation, but FWIW, chances are you'll have plenty SATA 3 ports free if it is your standard ATX sized board. Typically most boards these days will have 6 to 8 internal ones alone, to allow for RAID arrays for those that want them, and that's not even counting external ports you can connect to the motherboard.

More than likely you'll also have connectors on the motherboard for external sata connectors build into your case if you have a case/tower with SATA connectors.
You may also have external SATA ports on the rear of the motherboard for an external sata drives to connect as well, most mid to high end boards tend to these days.

I don't think there will be a problem or compromise whether you want internal or external sound or not, unless you want to use a drive that uses a PCI-e slot for SSD ? and you only have one of those free. Anyway. I'd just just go the SATA route instead for extra drives.


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#2654851 - 06/19/17 01:56 PM Re: USB 3.0, SSD & CFX lite? [Re: D7K]  
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You said your PSU handles 850 W. That's about twice what you need. So I wouldn't worry about the power consumption of an additional disk drive or SSD. You're WAY over the mark for what you need.
Originally Posted by D7K
Looking for external powered ones to keep down the watt draw especially when rendering video.

#2654872 - 06/19/17 03:31 PM Re: USB 3.0, SSD & CFX lite? [Re: D7K]  
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I got the high end USB DAC from HifimeDIY.com. It's tiny (external) and the sound is amazing. I didn't need my DAC to have an amplifier and I use a separate standalone MIDI converter.


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