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#2654472 - 06/17/17 10:55 PM Knabe Concert Grand  
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I know a few people here have a real fondness for Knabe Concert Grands.

I was poking around Craigslist this evening and noticed this one:

Knabe Concert Grand

There isn't much information, but it's nearly a giveaway price. It's a very handsome piano!

Disclaimer: Not my piano! I just think it's interesting. smile

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#2654486 - 06/17/17 11:28 PM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Retsacnal]  
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Nice rosewood!


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#2654489 - 06/18/17 12:03 AM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: BDB]  
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Originally Posted by BDB
Nice rosewood!

indeed!


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#2654519 - 06/18/17 06:51 AM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Retsacnal]  
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Asking $400. The move would be pricy but what a beautiful looking piano.

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#2654622 - 06/18/17 02:26 PM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Retsacnal]  
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Frankly, that piano has an awful lot of potential in the right hands. In the wrong hands, it could be a very expensive paperweight. We completed one similar to this one a few years ago which now enjoys a place in a private home where nobody actually plays, but they regularly host http://imgur.com/a/6OW3O from around the city (This piano lives close to New York City). Here is a link to a photo :


http://imgur.com/a/6OW3O


Frankly, I wish I had some video.



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#2654767 - 06/19/17 07:40 AM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Retsacnal]  
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R Galassini, hello! this Knabe I see in your link what is the finish material ? I am curious. We had worked on one of these a vintage 1892, it had an amazing tone. It was 7'4 and looked just like this one, it had a SB construction I haven't seen in other piano's, one thing is it had 2 piece laminated ribs, bottom half seemed to be straight across the top half was crowned, I don't know how the SB panel was conditioned "moisture-wise" in preparation for gluing the ribs on, wish I knew? I noticed someone removed the wheel skirts, bummer but fixable.

#2654807 - 06/19/17 10:58 AM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Retsacnal]  
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Why does this piano not look like a concert grand to me? It does not look like it's 9'. I think it's 7' 6" or so...
And it only has 2 pedals, just saying.

#2654815 - 06/19/17 11:56 AM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Blazeboard]  
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Originally Posted by Blazeboard
R Galassini, hello! this Knabe I see in your link what is the finish material ? I am curious.


Hi Blazeboard,

This particular finish we did in house as a polyester. This was on request and I personally do not like or recommend polyester, particularly on the older fancy veneers like this one.

Originally Posted by Blazeboard
We had worked on one of these a vintage 1892, it had an amazing tone. It was 7'4 and looked just like this one, it had a SB construction I haven't seen in other piano's, one thing is it had 2 piece laminated ribs, bottom half seemed to be straight across the top half was crowned, I don't know how the SB panel was conditioned "moisture-wise" in preparation for gluing the ribs on, wish I knew? I noticed someone removed the wheel skirts, bummer but fixable.


Hmmm..... so it was a rib crowned board? With a 2 piece laminated rib? I cannot say that I have seen that before. Did it have a modern iron frame and block design?

By the way, the piano in my photo was earlier than 1890's. I will have to find the serial number and get back to you on it's age.


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#2654849 - 06/19/17 01:48 PM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Retsacnal]  
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Rich,
Yes, it was a rib crowned system; the earliest we can identify with certainty. We only have one rib left of the whole piano, so we are only certain about the treble. The longer ribs may have been different. The rib has a very low profile, like a Kranich & Bach. Made of two layers, the bottom layer was just a thin, flat, straight rib with slow taper tips, while the upper layer was a smooth, even arc of about 3/32" thickness from tip to tip. If memory serves, the grain orientation in the layers were opposed as well; the rib layer being quartersawn, and the arch layer being flatsawn.


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#2654894 - 06/19/17 04:51 PM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Retsacnal]  
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There was a time when Knabe used a different set of serial numbers for concert grands, one which Pierce doesn't have. Mine is # 10927, made in 1929.


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#2654921 - 06/19/17 06:29 PM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Retsacnal]  
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Obviously there is not much to go on by the pictures, but it seems you all above really know the rebuilding business, off hand, what sort of money would one be looking at on average if say the action and soundboard were no good, and needed work. replacement, and the person did not care about restoring the looks? $10-20K?


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#2654952 - 06/19/17 08:27 PM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: XenondiFluoride]  
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Originally Posted by XenondiFluoride
Obviously there is not much to go on by the pictures, but it seems you all above really know the rebuilding business, off hand, what sort of money would one be looking at on average if say the action and soundboard were no good, and needed work. replacement, and the person did not care about restoring the looks? $10-20K?
Hypothetical estimates are of course nothing accurate, and I'm not a restoration expert.... but I've paid for restoration work on a couple of instruments.

If you're talking about a top quality shop (not just a commercial/cosmetic rebuilder) my guess is your number is low. Because of the age and rarity I'm guessing 20k to 40k is a more realistic guess (doing nothing at all to the finish).


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#2654980 - 06/19/17 10:09 PM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Retsacnal]  
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Well, I can now better say I have decent taste in pianos, but good lord! that price scares me away from even looking at it again.

bummer. that price will trump my student loans after 4 years....


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#2655020 - 06/20/17 02:56 AM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: XenondiFluoride]  
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Originally Posted by XenondiFluoride
Well, I can now better say I have decent taste in pianos, but good lord! that price scares me away from even looking at it again.

bummer. that price will trump my student loans after 4 years....
Yes, piano work is labor intensive. Of course it's also possible the piano needs little work to bring it to nice, playable condition. If the piano were in my neck of the woods, I'd probably look at it just out of interest (not that I need another instrument).


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#2655187 - 06/20/17 08:42 PM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Retsacnal]  
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I have contacted the owner. He said the piano is 81 inches long. He had no idea how old it is, but he said the "model number" is 29856.

Assuming the serial number is 29856, can any of you tell me the vintage of this beautiful rosewood piano?

#2655195 - 06/20/17 09:42 PM Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Retsacnal]  
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Between 1885 and 1890, which seems about right.


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#2655608 - 8 hours ago Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Rich Galassini]  
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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
I personally do not like or recommend polyester, particularly on the older fancy veneers like this one.

I agree. I don't care for ultra shiny (even on new pianos), but it looks like you did good work on it anyway. I love these old pianos!


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#2655612 - 8 hours ago Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Retsacnal]  
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It's a beautiful piano. If Mrs. Retsacnal weren't sick, I think I'd be checking it out (and she'd probably remind me that I have too many projects under way already). If it has no catastrophic issues, it could be an awesome score for somebody (IMO).


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#2655706 - 1 hour ago Re: Knabe Concert Grand [Re: Retsacnal]  
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well it is three hours away, if nothing else I guess I could try to get you all more info. but I cannot be sure if I even have the time.


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